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After sitting indoors all day during the holidays, I read up about PCV valves and decided to change mine since it has over 150km on it. After searching a bit on genvibe, I thought that the correct replacement FRAM part was FV406, but after removing the old PCV, I saw that the threads were of different size.So I figured that it must be FV407, went back to the parts store and saw that FV407 had larger threads and closely resembled the original, so I went with that.Step 1. Locate and remove hose connecting to PCVStep 2. Using a 7/8'' deep socket, remove old PCVold vs. newStep 3. Apply some anti-seize to threads of new PCV and hand tightenStep 4. Using a 3/4'' deep socket, tighten new PCVStep 5. Reconnect hose to new PCVStep 6. Take it for a test drive

I think it's about time I did this too. Thanks for the reminder!

Very nice write up!!! needs to be added to the index.

I'm surprised it's not metric.

Why change PVC? unless it is giving you issues? not being a Smart A**, But is there a benefit to changing it? power? fuel mileage? or ? Im at 100,000 Should I be changing mine?

Thanks for posting. Those are some great pics as well. Last year I pulled the PVC & cleaned it out with some MAF cleaner. Good reminder though !

I bought a FV407 today. It looks exactly like the one you have, but both the old and the new are not identical. The old one used a 1 inch (i think) socket and the new one used a 3/4 inch socket. While turning it, it didnt seem to fit with the threads as it came out all the time. Did you have the same issue? I didn't want to ruin the threads. I have a 2003 2wd vibe. Thanks.

You may need FV406

Nice write up. Probably something I should do.

Midas will change that for you - only $49.95 plus 3% shop materials.

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe »Very nice write up!!! needs to be added to the index.Added!!!

Thanks for posting this! Just got it done today.

OK, I read through a bunch of old threads but did not see any information on changing the PCV on the 2009-2010 engine. I went to my local dealer to pick up one for my mechanic to install. GM did not carry one, nor did the local Advantage Auto Parts. I thought that was strange. When I got to my mechanic, he looked it up and told me that the exhaust manifold has to be removed to get to the PCV on the 1.8 liter engine. Holy crap; that's ridiculous. Since I am not getting any CEL, I decided to forget about it and just have him clean out my mass air flow sensor. Having the sensor cleaned definitely improved the slight "rocking" sensation I was getting when the air conditioner was on. The acceleration/deceleration seemed very touchy, but only when the A/C was on. Now that the sensor has been cleaned, that sensation has disappeared, and the car is idling better at a full stop as well. My mechanic didn't charge me anything, but did say that the glass was only slightly dirty. Whatever; obviously spraying and cleaning it with MAF cleaner made a difference that I could notice on the drive home.
What do you all say about the PCV on the second gen? Did Toyota hide the part because it is not to be touched unless it totally fails?

Get a new mechanic. The PCV sits right on the valve cover. Check the photo posted above.

triz wrote:Get a new mechanic. The PCV sits right on the valve cover. Check the photo posted above.

uh.........get a new mechanic because ktt88 posted a shot of a 2003-2008 engine where the PCV valve is clearly evident? I don't think so. You see, with my 2009, if I poured oil into the engine on the side shown above, I'd have one hell of a mess on my hands.

Caretaker wrote:

triz wrote:Get a new mechanic. The PCV sits right on the valve cover. Check the photo posted above.

uh.........get a new mechanic because ktt88 posted a shot of a 2003-2008 engine where the PCV valve is clearly evident? I don't think so. You see, with my 2009, if I poured oil into the engine on the side shown above, I'd have one (removed) of a mess on my hands.

Yep. I'm just an average joe and even I know you don't have to drop the manifold to get to a PCV.

On your,s iirc yours sits on the firewall side, right on the VC.

And if you poured oil on the other side and there was not a hole to pour it in, you need new glasses.

Yep, part 12204. UNDER the manifold.

http://www.utoyot8.com/FullImage.aspx?c ... 05&ppInfo=(0712-++++" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)JPP

Caretaker wrote:Yep, part 12204. UNDER the manifold.

http://www.utoyot8.com/FullImage.aspx?c ... 05&ppInfo=(0712-++++" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)JPP

Touche...the diagram I have shows passenger side near the firewall on the vc.

http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssembly ... odel=14662

That is interesting. Can you confirm the location on yours by feel?

All I can confirm is this: after extensive research and determining that numerous posters in the Corolla, Matrix and this forum have failed to get a firm answer on where the PCV is on the 1.8 liter engine for their 2009-2010 vehicle, I found that diagram buried deep in the annals of a single Corolla board. The picture matches my engine exactly. When I queried my mechanic, he confirmed that it is underneath the manifold and that he was not surprised given he has seen even more squirrely places where auto manufacturers have placed their PCVs. He's been in business for well over 30 years so I know he knows what he's talking about when he pulls up his reference sheets on Corolla engines. While I do see two lines running in behind the right side of the manifold as you face the engine, I'm not smart enough to start pulling off hoses just to see if there is a PCV underneath. As you look at today's engines, there are several rubber hoses which look alike that run near or to the air box that have hose clips atop a metal valve underneath. I won't risk trying to figure out which is the PCV and which is the tiger hiding behind the door; I'll lose every time. So, if the PCV is behind the intake manifold, my original question remains; is the PCV in this vehicle meant to be changed out when the check engine light comes on and there is a part failure?
I'm having trouble matching up the diagram you posted to my Corolla engine and figure that it is of the 2.4 Camry engine. It is interesting that up top, it seems to imply that the information provided covers both engines. I find it hard to believe that the PCV is in the same place on a Camry engine and a Corolla engine.

[quote="Caretaker"]All I can confirm is this: after extensive research and determining that numerous posters in the Corolla, Matrix and this forum have failed to get a firm answer on where the PCV is on the 1.8 liter engine for their 2009-2010 vehicle, I found that diagram buried deep in the annals of a single Corolla board. The picture matches my engine exactly. When I queried my mechanic, he confirmed that it is underneath the manifold and that he was not surprised given he has seen even more squirrely places where auto manufacturers have placed their PCVs. He's been in business for well over 30 years so I know he knows what he's talking about when he pulls up his reference sheets on Corolla engines. While I do see two lines running in behind the right side of the manifold as you face the engine, I'm not smart enough to start pulling off hoses just to see if there is a PCV underneath. As you look at today's engines, there are several rubber hoses which look alike that run near or to the air box that have hose clips atop a metal valve underneath. I won't risk trying to figure out which is the PCV and which is the tiger hiding behind the door; I'll lose every time. So, if the PCV is behind the intake manifold, my original question remains; is the PCV in this vehicle meant to be changed



In other words, the PCV is "buried" in 2009-2010 1.8 liter engines?

according to all the evidence I have found so far, yes. It is just so hard to believe. In my mind, the PCV is a part that should be replaced relatively often. If it turns out that the diagram I posted is correct (it certainly matches the 2ZR engine), and my mechanic is right, and some poster on the Corolla board is right, just don't ask me how to remove all that stuff to get to it.
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p390/KITT222/1-8.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll be honest I have seen some hidden PCV's before but never seen one go to the block. That is why I found it odd. I was thinking that possibly he was confusing it for the crank sensor which sits under the manifold. Almost every PCV I have changed has been somewhere on the valve cover. My truck has no PCV (another odd thing for me)

I will make it a personal mission to find someone with a 2009-10 Vibe and check the location. Keep you posted.

You wont hurt anything by feeling for the PCV valve hose if you don't want to remove the plastic engine cover.

triz wrote:I'll be honest I have seen some hidden PCV's before but never seen one go to the block. That is why I found it odd. I was thinking that possibly he was confusing it for the crank sensor which sits under the manifold. Almost every PCV I have changed has been somewhere on the valve cover. My truck has no PCV (another odd thing for me)

I will make it a personal mission to find someone with a 2009-10 Vibe and check the location. Keep you posted.

You wont hurt anything by feeling for the PCV valve hose if you don't want to remove the plastic engine cover.

PCV is at the back of the engine under the intake manifold (I have the Vibe/Matrix, service manual, Haynes), on the 2009-2010 1.8 engine.

PCV is at the back of the engine under the intake manifold (I have the Vibe/Matrix, service manual, Haynes), on the 2009-2010 1.8 engine.[/quote]


the back of the engine???? If you follow the PCV (part number 12204) and the dashed line, the dashed line does lead to the far side of the rubber hose (part number 12261A No.1). That would seem to indicate that the PCV is closer to the back side.

http://www.utoyot8.com/FullImage.aspx?c ... 05&ppInfo=(0712-++++" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is too weird. I'll give you a buck if you can post a picture from an actual 1.8, unless massive amounts of parts have to be removed to get to it.

Thanks so much (in advance).

holy engine tear down Batman!!! What was Toyota thinking??? Look at what I just found on You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4iKLYpOg4A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What else should I have my mechanic do while he's taking off my intake manifold just to replace a $10 part?? Thoughts?

New intake gasket? May not be needed, but he's in there anyway and it's 10 bucks for a gasket...

A toyota engineer needs to be shot!!! Put it behind the manifold is nuts!
Now with that being said the PCV is nothing more than a check valve to allow 1 way air flow. So if the engine back fires it won't send flames into the engine. They are spring loaded and very rarely fail.

Caretaker wrote:

PCV is at the back of the engine under the intake manifold (I have the Vibe/Matrix, service manual, Haynes), on the 2009-2010 1.8 engine.

the back of the engine???? If you follow the PCV (part number 12204) and the dashed line, the dashed line does lead to the far side of the rubber hose (part number 12261A No.1). That would seem to indicate that the PCV is closer to the back side.

http://www.utoyot8.com/FullImage.aspx?c ... 05&ppInfo=(0712-++++" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is too weird. I'll give you a buck if you can post a picture from an actual 1.8, unless massive amounts of parts have to be removed to get to it.

Thanks so much (in advance).[/quote]



You're welcome. Unfortunately, the manual did not have a photo of the 1.8 and all that would need to be removed to get the PCV (It's a 2003-2011 Vibe Matrix edition).

Salsa Guy wrote:A toyota engineer needs to be shot!!! Put it behind the manifold is nuts!
Now with that being said the PCV is nothing more than a check valve to allow 1 way air flow. So if the engine back fires it won't send flames into the engine. They are spring loaded and very rarely fail.

Well Toyota did add VVT to both intake and exhaust, maybe the extra hoses that the system may require did not leave room for the PCV to be in the valve head/cover.

No idea on that but a PCV is an overly simple device and could be added anywhere for the most part. It just help send any gases in the engine back through the combustion chamber.

Just watched the video linked above, no way I would do that without replacing the intake manifold gasket. They've been a problem in the past, maybe this is just Toyota's way of making you replace the gasket every 60,000 miles.

One more reason I'm glad I bought a 2008.

Wow. Just watched the video and it explained a few things. Couple months ago, out of curiousity I was looking for the pcv valve, not finding it in the traditional place the old engines have them at. Instead, about at the same place is a bracket with vacuum lines splitting off where some of the rerouting took place with the brake boost recall (IIRC). Had me more than a little confused. Shocked at this new location, but at least the video showed that an intake manifold gasket would not be all that difficult to replace. Shocked I tell ya! What a weird location, and dissapointing.

Yes, it was a bit disappointing to see the pcv buried, but now I know. On the positive side, it is reassuring that my mechanic is still top notch since he was the one who told me that it was under the manifold in the first place. It is also positive that rayven and mark have provided me advice on replacing the manifold gasket while the pcv is being changed. Thanks for that. When I did some research on the manifold gasket issue, it looks as though the first generation Vibe was the one that had trouble with the intake manifold gasket. Other than "just do it because," is there any issues regarding the gasket on the second generation Vibes?

To the best of my knowledge there is not an issue with the 2zr-fe intake gaskets at this point, but only time will tell. I am curious if there is any goop or sealant that would have to be scraped off first or if it is pretty straight forward pull off old gasket, clean a little, and slap another one on.

Just changed the PCV on my 2005 FWD Moon and Tunes, was long overdue. Great step by step above, made video to highlight failed and working PCV. Used Luber Finer part number PCV1112. The connecting hose was in OK condition, will probably replace next oil change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7j3s71VUsE

The part number for the PCV hose: W0133-1746428 this seems to be universal for all FWD and AWD 2003-2008 models

keithvibe wrote:Very nice write up!!! needs to be added to the index.

so done!

Wow. That's one heck of a place to put it on the newer ones.

I should probably take a look at the one on my 03 since it's easy enough to do.

I found a Fram FV407 for 80 cents on MIlls Fleet Farm's site. Since I was already ordering a better oil drain pan than is available in most stores and paying $7.95 shipping, I ordered it too. It didn't cause the shipping cost to go up any, so heck yeah.

Emmanue2 wrote:A FV406 is needed to operate.

Did you read the first post?

I used my oxygen sensor socket to remove mine. It fit perfectly and the sensor rotated right out with a 1/4" socket wrench (no extension needed).

I went to change the PCV valve and found the threads slightly different! I went on the local Toyota dealer's parts website and found that there seems to be two possible PCV valves for the 1Z, since 2Z was only in XRS/GT right?

Emission system, Pcv valve
Matrix, w/o XRS, w/o AWD, Marked 1220422040
EMISSION SYSTEM »Emission system
Toyota › Matrix › 2003-2008
Price:$6.03

Emission system, Pcv valve
Matrix, w/o XRS, w/o AWD, Marked 1220422050
EMISSION SYSTEM »Emission system
Toyota › Matrix › 2003-2008
Price:$6.03

The 050 parts compatibility shows 1Z: http://www.amazon.com/OES-Genuine-selec ... B001G7U45W

I took a pic of the two valves (below). The first one referenced above (1220422040) is the one my 1Z takes. You can see the "22040" portion of the number in the picture. I wiped off the gunk from the old one and put it back since the "shake test" is ok. Being only $6, I may as well go genuine OEM Toyota for a replacement.

EDIT: I ordered one. $6.60 with tax. Free local pickup at the dealer.

I picked up the new one this morning. They have changed the part number slightly, from 12204-22040 to 12204-22041.

On Amazon, it shows it to fit the 2003 Matrix Base, "Stamped #12204-22040": http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/compat ... ehicleId=8

Photo of the new one I got: (oh and by the way, it takes a 22mm socket/wrench. 7/8" would work in a pinch, but it's not the correct size)

A while ago, I bought a PCV valve for my 05 AWD Vibe from Toyota, p/n 12204-22051.

Today after watching Fred Lyst's video, I put it in with some anti-seize on the threads. It threaded in properly and a 19mm deep socket made installation easy.

https://youtu.be/E7j3s71VUsE

Only issue is I lost one of the two plastic clips that hold the engine cover on. Part #? Also, where did Fred get that cool red plastic engine cover he has on his Vibe in his video?

I can't see much difference putting the two clips or not. Fred must painted the cover with some spray paint.

Any info on the PCV location for the 2.4 l 2AZ-FE? I would imagine a regular PCV maintenance would be particularly beneficial on those since they are known to burn the oil with the bad piston rings and pistons. Also hoping to find it because I’d like to install an oil catch can.

If you pull the top black plastic engine cover off and look on the back of the valve cover, toward the passager side, you will see the hose that is connected to the PCV valve. The valve is threaded into the valve cover with locking compound on the threads as a sealer. Having the engine up to temp can help soften the thread sealing compound and make removing the PCV valve easier.