Left Lane Hogs

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:32 pm

Figured I would start a topic on this subject. You know the people, here are the cases:1) People who don't check their mirrors. Their out there, and they are not looking around as they should. I constantly check all my mirrors, behind to ensure no one is coming up, my sides to ensure nobody is in the lane I want to go into or if I need a quick lane change manuever. These types just don't care, they are oblivious to their surroundings and when you pass them on the right, they look over in amazement like you appeared from thin air when you have been behind them for the last 5 miles.2) Deputized drivers. These folks seem to think they drive Crown Vics with light bars, and for that reason you WILL go their speed and they don't care. They will even give you the arm wave up and down of "slow down" as you edge closer to their bumper. Yet regardless they will not budge, you can go around when the time is right but they would rather you make moves and jump lanes to get around them in hazard than be safe for all and just move over. And typically you are not alone, there are usually more than just yourself waiting to get past. I have seen this person sit there while a group of 3 or 5 cars goes around them on the right, and they still sit there.3) The fast and slow. The person who goes 60, and when you appear behind him stays at 60, won't move over even after a courtesy flash. But try to pass them on the right and no your not standing still, they are accelerating. 70...80mph trying to make sure you stay behind them. If you don't make it and drop back behind, they slow back to 60 again. If you do make it buy you get a horn honk, a light flash, a constant high beam. Apparently they are never satisfied.4) Take your timers are fun. You are coming down the highway, they sit, you are still coming, they sit. Finally you are on top of them, suddenly their blinker goes on and they start the slow progression to change lanes. But it's too late, you've already hit your brakes, slowed down, and are now wasting more fuel to get up to speed instead of them taking notice (see #1) and moving over when appropriate to avoid the decel and accel. The best is when you move to pass on the right and they try to move to the right to get out of your way. At this point they have already missed the window and need to just stay where they are. It is frustrating, but it is also about timing. Again constantly checking mirrors I can tell when someone is coming up and approximate how quickly they will be upon me and when the right time to move is so they can without slow down drive by me and I can get back over again. I don't try to be the hero to get 1 more car up before I move over, just find the appropriate spot and move. Now that being said, I will be appeasing to people who have nowhere to go. I will slow down and slowly inch up on them so they know I still want to pass. 5) The I'm a new driver jumper. New or not, mostly not, these people sit in the line of moving vehicles you are in (light traffic), and every opportunity they get, jump over, mash the gas and try to get one car up. Whether there is space or not, they have poor judgement, poor distance skills, and poorer driving. They try to squeeze in and cause us all to brake. I hate that guy. Which is why when I see them jumping over to pass, I inch up to the guy in front of me while at the same time making sure the guy behind me can lock him out too. It's a fun little toss back and forth to keep him where he is if not lose a spot or two, that is pretty satisfying when it happens.6) The I'll leave 15 cars in front of me guy. You wonder why traffic is so slow, then see it. 6 cars up the guy is doing 30, traffic is moving at 40-50 and slowing occasionally. And when it slows and he sees brake lights on the horizon miles away, he lets off the gas, coasts or even brakes. If he just kept pace then we would all enjoy a shorter commute and less brake wear and fuel waste. I once had a guy come to a complete stop a good 10 cars from the next guy in front of him, he caused a 3 car pile up, luckily I jumped lanes and avoided.You may read this and think I have a lot of anger, lol. I don't, I just see A LOT when I drive my 50-80 mile commute each day spending 2 hours in the car watching people. My own ways of driving have certain rules tied to them though:1) Never get into a lane unless I can see the headlights of the car in my rearview mirror. Forget the sides and a quick look (which I always do in unison). If the cars headlights are in my mirror I not only have room, but room to spare. I don't like to be the cutoff guy jumping in and hitting my brakes, I try to speedmatch when getting over and make sure the room is there.2) If the guy behind me is a jerk and freaking out about flying by people in traffic with nowhere to go, I box him. I make sure that even though there is 3 cars space in the right lane, he is not getting by. Of course within reason cause some psychos move over when there is NO room. Which you just have to let go. Trucks are my peeves, they try to squeez and muscle into the lanes sometimes. Which makes me wish they had screens on the backs so I could see in front of them.3) O/D is not just a button. It allows me to essentially drop down a gear to slow down without braking or to get the added power when I need to pass or get up to speed. I use mine constantly each day.4) You go I go. HUGE believer. When merging, when yielding to on ramps or traffic lane changers to get to an exit. I don't like the people who sneak in or keep driving down the on ramp to get one more car up. They are the reason traffic starts. And for that matter, so are the people already on the highway not letting people merge in. Same goes for construction. If everyone adopted you-go-I-go then it would flow. 5) When in traffic, chill. Put on the radio, relax, pop a window, make a call. Traffic cannot be beaten, you just need to go with it. Sure some lanes at some areas move faster and I fully utilize this to keep myself moving. But bottom line, don't get mad, when you get to the gym later, take your frustration out there.

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:46 pm

I completely agree......You should try driving in Florida, people just don't know when to be in the left lane. It shows when someone passes me on the right when I'm in the middle lane and the left lane is open.I couldn't agree more with the I go, you go merging idea, I hate those people who don't let anyone in or try to use the grass to pass people... motorcycles are the worst at this.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:16 am

I've found that on a 3 lane highway the far RIGHT lane has become the new fast lane. So many IDIOTS, including trucks now!! ride the center lane.I ask WHY?For those of you reading this who ride the center lane, please let us know why you do this, it is illegal, makes people pass on your right, causes unspeakable grief to those behind you as you putz along. I'm sure you have a reason, help us understand the why of it.What gets me, is that States are crying poor, bankrupt, need money. If they restructure the highway fines to become PAINFUL, not a measly $100 or so, I'm talking $800, $900 for cars and $1000's for trucks, and then start enforcing the laws we have on the books. This would end up being a self imposed tax, like smoking is. You smoke, you choose to pay taxes. You break a highway law, you choose to pay the fines.Every center lane rider should be ticketed, no question about it. Gee, I could go on and on and on, but I won't (you should smile now)Dave

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:20 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»I've found that on a 3 lane highway the far RIGHT lane has become the new fast lane. So many IDIOTS, including trucks now!! ride the center lane.I ask WHY?For those of you reading this who ride the center lane, please let us know why you do this, it is illegal, makes people pass on your right, causes unspeakable grief to those behind you as you putz along. I'm sure you have a reason, help us understand the why of it.Define 'ride'... you mean like going under the speed limit?

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:20 am

In Utah they made it illegal to allow someone to pass you on the right. It is considered obstructing the flow of traffic. I just wish it was possible to actually enforce it.

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:24 am

Quote, originally posted by lovemyraffe Â»In Utah they made it illegal to allow someone to pass you on the right. It is considered obstructing the flow of traffic. I just wish it was possible to actually enforce it.Same here in FL... you can not pass on the right nor can you take up the left lane obstructing the flow. *cough*

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:27 am

Quote, originally posted by VforVIBE Â»Same here in FL... you can not pass on the right nor can you take up the left lane obstructing the flow.It's a little different in UT. You can pass someone on the right. It is the person on the left that is breaking the law, not the one who is passing on the right.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:31 am

Quote, originally posted by VforVIBE Â»Define 'ride'... you mean like going under the speed limit?Ride..... to just stay in the center lane, if it's doing the speed limit, under the limit or over the limit. If you are the slowest on the road, you should be in the Right lane, I don't care what the rest of the highway is going.Right SLOWCenter MEDIUMLeft FASTIt's not a hard concept. Wait! here's a little saying to remember...."Keep to the RIGHT except to Pass" So simple, so ignored.Dave

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:33 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»It's not a hard concept. Wait! here's a little saying to remember...."Keep to the RIGHT except to Pass" So simple, so ignored.DaveBut you shouldn't be obstructing the flow of traffic, no matter what the speed. Some places I've driven through, everybody is doing 80 in a 55. If you are only doing the speed limit, I feel you would be obstructing the flow of traffic.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:38 am

Quote, originally posted by lovemyraffe Â»But you shouldn't be obstructing the flow of traffic, no matter what the speed. Some places I've driven through, everybody is doing 80 in a 55. If you are only doing the speed limit, I feel you would be obstructing the flow of traffic.You can do 55, just do it in the proper lane. Just because everyone else is doing 80 in a 55 does not make it right. Back to my State Financial point. Everyone of those cars doing 80 should be stopped and slapped with a very very painful fine, a self imposed tax. Pay for the officer, pay for his car, pay for the paving of the highway, pay for trash pickup, pay for whatever the State needs the money for.You violate a law of society, you make restitution to the society.Dave

jimincalif · Post by **jimincalif** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:04 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â» Everyone of those cars doing 80 should be stopped and slapped with a very very painful fine, a self imposed tax. Pay for the officer, pay for his car, pay for the paving of the highway, pay for trash pickup, pay for whatever the State needs the money for.You violate a law of society, you make restitution to the society.DaveThere are a lot of laws like this, that if they were actually enforced this way, would end up being changed. The only thing that keeps them on the books is they are mostly ignored.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:24 am

If they enforced the passing and obstructing traffic flow laws as much as they did people speeding. We would have better flow guaranteed. They punish those who speed, why not those who obstruct and drive slow or careless.Now motorcycles I give a pass to sorta. My highway on the way to and from work is 2 lanes. So when traffic is built up the bikers cruise up the middle. I am fine with this and even make an effort to move slightly to give them room. But the ones who fly by at 60 while we are doing 5 is not cool. I wish I could open my door once.Let's add to the list.7) Breakdown lane drivers. Not just the ones who keep going when the on ramp is clearly gone. But the guys who want to get to that exit right up there and are too impatient. Or the ones who just cruise it to get ahead. I am always pushing my car to the right to block those people. I almost got rearended once from a guy flying up the breakdown.8) Emergency vehicle users. Not the ambulances themselves, but the guys who feel the need to follow in their wake when people are pulled over. Nothing else to add here, it's just sickening to me.9) Ramp passers. Not the guy getting one ahead when getting on a highway and not merging. The guy who cuts over a lane or two, jumps on the on ramp or exit ramp and plows up to get ahead. I really cannot stand those people. 10) Mr. or Mrs. I need to be in that lane so I will stop until someone lets me in. OH MY GOD! Keep moving with the flow, turn your signal on and eventually someone will let you in. And if they don't, do the creep manuever and slowly let your wheel walk into the lane until someont slows down enough. This happens in traffic all the time. They sit there and wait holding up an entire lane, it's idiocracy at it's finest. They might as well be at a stop sign in their neighborhood.11) Good Luck Everybody! Ever see Family Guy where the asian driver flies over a few lanes without looking. Nothing against the asians (stereotype already existed), but anyone in general who not just flies across lanes at will, but will slam on their brakes or make stupid lane changes when they are about to miss an exit or an interchange.12) Jet powered SUVs or Trucks. I'm not sure about anyone else, but for me when I drive an SUV like my gf's Jeep or something similar, I get to 70-75 and feel like I'm flying. I rarely go any faster in that car. So how is it that these guys in Tahoe's, F-150's, and the like feel free to do 80, 90+. I gotta believe that they at that point couldn't pull an evasive if they tried without rolling. Stick to your proper speed.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:57 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»For those of you reading this who ride the center lane, please let us know why you do this, it is illegal, makes people pass on your right, causes unspeakable grief to those behind you as you putz along. I'm sure you have a reason, help us understand the why of it.on a three lane highway, the center lane is for through traffic. The left lane is for passing. If you can't pass on the left, then blame the putz who is hanging in the left lane pacing the people in the center lane. The right lane is for people merging on and off the highway, and for really slow traffic. Considerate to keep the right lane clear so people entering the highway have a clear shot. However, in Maryland it is legal to pass on the right, so go for it.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:18 am

I'm convinced in Maryland that the far left lane is just another slow lane. I always use the right lane for passing, always in that state.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:35 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»on a three lane highway, the center lane is for through traffic. The left lane is for passing. If you can't pass on the left, then blame the putz who is hanging in the left lane pacing the people in the center lane. The right lane is for people merging on and off the highway, and for really slow traffic. Considerate to keep the right lane clear so people entering the highway have a clear shot. However, in Maryland it is legal to pass on the right, so go for it.Did you just make that up?!?!!? You've got to be kidding me that you actually believe on a three lane freeway the right lane is for exit and entry?? Maybe around the immediate vicinity of an exit I could buy this, polite, move over to allow an oncoming car space to merge but then return to your proper lane.Show me your State rule book stating the center lane is for through traffic. In certain situations and where marked specifically, yes it may be.Sorry, I asked for the why's, I shouldn't attack when an answer is made. I respect your feelings about the center lane but am almost certain that you are wrong."Keep to the Right EXCEPT to pass"Dave

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:38 am

Anyone ever drive the Auto Bahn in Germany?If so, tell people how that highway works. A Right lane or center lane rider would get killed or pushed off the highway in a hurry!

scherry2 · Post by **scherry2** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:00 am

I try not to get to upset anymore about drivers. why?1. you yell at a window, the guy your yelling at could care less about you2. all of a sudden your the one not in control, and its you that makes the dumb mistake.3. your blood pressure goes up. health wise that can't be good.4. and its much easier to just mind your own. drive defensively and arrive at your destination safely.remember what goes around...that other guy will get his, sometime. and if your in such a hurry you have to give someone a "courtesy flash" leave earlier. P.S. lets not forget that gun that the other driver might be carrying

lovemyraffe · Post by **lovemyraffe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:17 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»Anyone ever drive the Auto Bahn in Germany?If so, tell people how that highway works. A Right lane or center lane rider would get killed or pushed off the highway in a hurry!My dad drove the Autobahn last year. He said most of the drivers were very responsible and were not driving at excessive speeds.

Whelan · Post by **Whelan** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:01 am

Some German rules:-18 to drive a car-License costs the equivalent of $1,200 (probably more nowadays)-Keep Right EXCEPT to pass is STRICTLY ENFORCED. You can get a HUGE fine for not following the rule.I watched the History Channel Autobahn show and it was nuts. They took a yellow RUF (modified Porsche) and drove it 215mph at night.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:11 am

people who advocate doing anything done in Europe get labelled as socialists.The best thing you can do on the road is before you get on the road. Leave early enough so that you don't have to hurry. That way, the petty annoyances that drive us all crazy when we're late don't matter nearly as much.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:23 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»Did you just make that up?!?!!? You've got to be kidding me that you actually believe on a three lane freeway the right lane is for exit and entry?? Maybe around the immediate vicinity of an exit I could buy this, polite, move over to allow an oncoming car space to merge but then return to your proper lane.Show me your State rule book stating the center lane is for through traffic. In certain situations and where marked specifically, yes it may be.Sorry, I asked for the why's, I shouldn't attack when an answer is made. I respect your feelings about the center lane but am almost certain that you are wrong."Keep to the Right EXCEPT to pass"Daveone of the few things I agree with you on.The iggest will stay in the middle lane for miles and miles. There may not be an entrance or exit for mile but they will still ride the middle lane.I use all lanes to pass... if your going slower than me MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT!!!!

03VibeOttawa · Post by **03VibeOttawa** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:39 am

Left lane hogs are everywhere, and yes I agree, they totally suck. However, I disagree with some people here who are saying you should stay in the far right lane except to pass (and I'm kind of glad that just doesn't happen where I come from). If you are driving at or above the speed limit, you are usually passing a fair number of slower drivers, and people many people merging on and off the highway (especially moving through a city). You will spend way more time hitting the brakes, way more time changing lanes, and thus impede more traffic by doing so. If you are driving the speed limit in the right lane and catch up to two side by side cars, you now have to cross two lanes to your left to pass. Good luck with that.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:42 am

I'm not quite sure if I've posted this here or on other forums but I'll say it again: Only on our roads are the law abiding citizens expected to yield to law breaking citizens. If you are driving the posted speed limit, there is nothing wrong with driving in the center lane. Why should the law abiding driver be forced to constantly change lanes to make way for the drivers that are driving over the speed limit. Why should I be the one forced to make room for those entering and exiting the highway by riding in the right hand land so that speeders can have 2 unobstucted lanes to break the law? I agree with joatmon; on a 3 lane road, the right hand lane is for entering and exiting the highway. It makes it safer for those who have to get on and get off. I'm not turning so why should I have to change lanes? If you want to speed, wait your turn and pass on the left. If there is no speed limit or only 2 lanes, then the slower cars should be on the right. There is a speed limit. If you want to break it, don't ask me to help you do it.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:49 am

Quote, originally posted by Tubaryan12 Â»I'm not quite sure if I've posted this here or on other forums but I'll say it again: Only on our roads are the law abiding citizens expected to yield to law breaking citizens. If you are driving the posted speed limit, there is nothing wrong with driving in the center lane. Why should the law abiding driver be forced to constantly change lanes to make way for the drivers that are driving over the speed limit. Why should I be the one forced to make room for those entering and exiting the highway by riding in the right hand land so that speeders can have 2 unobstucted lanes to break the law? I agree with joatmon; on a 3 lane road, the right hand lane is for entering and exiting the highway. It makes it safer for those who have to get on and get off. I'm not turning so why should I have to change lanes? If you want to speed, wait your turn and pass on the left. If there is no speed limit or only 2 lanes, then the slower cars should be on the right. There is a speed limit. If you want to break it, don't ask me to help you do it.Huh, looking through my drivers manual here, I've yet to find that listed.Left lane for law breaking speedersCenter lane for posted speed limitRight lane for those below the speed limit.I just keep running acrossKEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASSI guess the law is wrong? Silly me.So riding the center lane is some sort of personal protest against speeders??? Why not just get three of these like minded people together and you can do the speed limit three abreast and show all those people what idiots they are! Then you'll see road rage with firearms!Dave

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:18 am

those who think riding the middle lane while others are forced to pass on the right because they are pacing or going 3mph slower than the people in the left lane are STUPID. MOVE OVER!!! Yes you are required to keep right unless passing even if it's a three lane roadway.

KNINE · Post by **KNINE** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:47 am

I can't wait to drive the Pa Turnpike over Thanks Giving.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:01 am

Quote, originally posted by K-NINE Â»I can't wait to drive the Pa Turnpike over Thanks Giving. For a whole lot of reasons beside a center lane rider!! Pa.TP, not a fun road. I do like all of the tunnels though as you head out West. If you know the history of the highway it takes some of the pain away, driving upon motoring history.Dave

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:04 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»Huh, looking through my drivers manual here, I've yet to find that listed.Left lane for law breaking speedersCenter lane for posted speed limitRight lane for those below the speed limit.I just keep running acrossKEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASSI guess the law is wrong? Silly me.So riding the center lane is some sort of personal protest against speeders??? Why not just get three of these like minded people together and you can do the speed limit three abreast and show all those people what idiots they are! Then you'll see road rage with firearms!DaveMaybe I'm lucky: No at fault accidents and not one ticket for driving the speed limit in the center lane in almost 30 yrs of driving. I drive past cops every day doing this. In fact, just last night, I had a cop pass me on the right hand side to pull over a speeder that just went past me in while I was in the center lane. Hope it wasn't any of you guys....lol. I guess you guys will just have to suffer because the police won't enforce the laws Your book may say keep right. Does it say that you can only drive in the furthest right lane unless you are passing? No it does not. I am keeping right- of the left hand lane. My driving in the center lane is not a personal protest against speeders. It just happens to be the safest way to drive. The fewer moves you make at highway speed, the safer you are. Period. Changing lanes is dangerous. That's when most accidents happen. The more you do it, the more risk you take. I choose not to engage in that risk. If you do, more power to you....just don't ask me to make a risky move just so that you will have more lanes to speed in.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:11 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»those who think riding the middle lane while others are forced to pass on the right because they are pacing or going 3mph slower than the people in the left lane are STUPID. MOVE OVER!!! Yes you are required to keep right unless passing even if it's a three lane roadway.No one requires you to pass on the right. Only your impatience does that. You could wait for the left lane to clear. You choose not to. That is your choice. Good luck with that.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:14 am

Quote, originally posted by Tubaryan12 Â»Your book may say keep right. Does it say that you can only drive in the furthest right lane unless you are passing? No it does not. I am keeping right- of the left hand lane. My driving in the center lane is not a personal protest against speeders. It just happens to be the safest way to drive. The fewer moves you make at highway speed, the safer you are. Period. Changing lanes is dangerous. The more you do it, the more risk you take. I choose not to engage in that risk. If you do, more power to you....just don't ask me to make a risky move just so that you will have more lanes to speed in.YOU feel safe, meanwhile you are creating a wave of chaos behind you as people come up behind your self righteous "safety zone" and they dodge left, people dodge right, cutting into traffic to get past you! You ignorantly drive along la dee da, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm afraid to change lanes, I'm afraid to change lanes...... Maybe I shouldn't be driving, maybe I shouldn't be driving if I'm afraid to actually drive and have to change lanes......Look in the mirror sometime and see the waves of chaos you and those of like mind are creating upon our highways.IF it is OK to disregard traffic laws because you FEEL safer doing so, it would then follow that it is OK to rob a bank or store because you need money or food? Where does this go if we all make personal decisions on obeying laws?Dave

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:20 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»YOU feel safe, meanwhile you are creating a wave of chaos behind you as people come up behind your self righteous "safety zone" and they dodge left, people dodge right, cutting into traffic to get past you! You ignorantly drive along la dee da, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm afraid to change lanes, I'm afraid to change lanes...... Maybe I shouldn't be driving, maybe I shouldn't be driving if I'm afraid to actually drive and have to change lanes......Look in the mirror sometime and see the waves of chaos you and those of like mind are creating upon our highways.IF it is OK to disregard traffic laws because you FEEL safer doing so, it would then follow that it is OK to rob a bank or store because you need money or food? Where does this go if we all make personal decisions on obeying laws?DaveThe people that are dangerous and causing chaos are the ones breaking the law and making multiple lane changes, not the guy abiding by it. Like I said, if what I do is against the law, then why no tickets? I drive by a spot where the cop waits every day on the highway in a city known for writing tickets to anyone breaking the law. Simply, it's because I'm not breaking the law. Why would they miss an opportunity to write a free and easy ticket if that is what they are out there for? Here's a link to the city in question: http://www.copspy.com/OH/2607-lindale.html

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:25 am

Quote, originally posted by Tubaryan12 Â»The people that are dangerous and causing chaos are the ones breaking the law and making multiple lane changes, not the guy abiding by it. Like I said, if what I do is against the law, then why no tickets? I drive by a spot where the cop waits every day on the highway in a city known for writing tickets to anyone breaking the law. Simply, it's because I'm not breaking the law. Why would they miss an opportunity to write a free and easy ticket if that is what they are out there for? You're just justifying that you are knowingly driving contrary to the law, there is no reasoning with that mindset. I'll pray that some cop finally does the right thing and pulls you over.dave

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:26 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»You're just justifying that you are knowingly driving contrary to the law, there is no reasoning with that mindset. I'll pray that some cop finally does the right thing and pulls you over.daveI wish you Godspeed in your travels.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:29 am

Quote, originally posted by K-NINE Â»I can't wait to drive the Pa Turnpike over Thanks Giving. LOL most of the TP is two lanes and if your going slower than 75 your going to cause an accident because your going to be the slowest one on the road way LOL Good luck. I'll be out there as well.... armed... lol armed because I will be attending a training class for handguns LOL.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:30 am

Page 34 of the Ohio drivers manual"LANESKeep to the RightDrive on the right half of the roadway except:1. When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the samedirection.2. When driving on a road divided into three or more marked lanes.3. When driving on a road designed and posted with signs for one-waytraffic.4. When otherwise directed by a police officer or traffic control device.5. When an obstruction makes it necessary for you to drive left-of-center.Yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction onthe unobstructed portion of the highway.Multiple Lane RoadsWhen a road has been divided into four or more marked lanes, or wheretraffic within municipalities is lawfully moving in two or more continuous linesin the same direction, the following rules apply:â€¢ A vehicle shall be driven as closely as possible within a single lane oftraffic; it shall not be moved from the lane until the driver has firstdetermined that such movement can be made safely. A turn signal mustbe given before lane changes.â€¢ On a roadway divided into three lanes, a vehicle shall not be driven inthe center lane except where that center lane is devoted exclusively totraffic moving in the direction the driver is proceeding.Slow TrafficVehicles moving slower than the traffic flow must use the available right laneor stay as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.I don't see you driving habit outlined here at all. As a matter of fact it specifically speaks to your habit as an example of what you should NOT do.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:39 am

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:44 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»Page 34 of the Ohio drivers manual"LANESKeep to the RightDrive on the right half of the roadway except:1. When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the samedirection.2. When driving on a road divided into three or more marked lanes.3. When driving on a road designed and posted with signs for one-waytraffic.4. When otherwise directed by a police officer or traffic control device.5. When an obstruction makes it necessary for you to drive left-of-center.Yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction onthe unobstructed portion of the highway.Multiple Lane RoadsWhen a road has been divided into four or more marked lanes, or wheretraffic within municipalities is lawfully moving in two or more continuous linesin the same direction, the following rules apply:Ã¢Â€Â¢ A vehicle shall be driven as closely as possible within a single lane oftraffic; it shall not be moved from the lane until the driver has firstdetermined that such movement can be made safely. A turn signal mustbe given before lane changes.Ã¢Â€Â¢ On a roadway divided into three lanes, a vehicle shall not be driven inthe center lane except where that center lane is devoted exclusively totraffic moving in the direction the driver is proceeding.Slow TrafficVehicles moving slower than the traffic flow must use the available right laneor stay as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.I don't see you driving habit outlined here at all. As a matter of fact it specifically speaks to your habit as an example of what you should NOT do.Once again, you are making the asumption that staying on the right half of the highway means driving only in the furthest right hand lane. It does not.I'm not driving slower than traffic, though I may be driving slower than you. The only time you have to drive in the furthest right hand lane is when there are 2 lanes or less going in the same direction (4 lane highway). Note this rule that you posted"Ã¢Â€Â¢ On a roadway divided into three lanes, a vehicle shall not be driven inthe center lane except where that center lane is devoted exclusively totraffic moving in the direction the driver is proceeding."On a 6 lane highway (3 each direction) the center lane is designated to go the same direction. This rule is under the heading of :"Multiple Lane RoadsWhen a road has been divided into four or more marked lanes, or wheretraffic within municipalities is lawfully moving in two or more continuous linesin the same direction" You posted it above. Thanks for proving my point.

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:48 am

So, we have the Ohio State Drivers manual stating that you cannot run the center lane and we have a Massachusetts Institute of Technology publication saying you can...hmmmmm I think I'll believe the State publication over some paper put together by college students.dave

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:52 am

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.htmlI agree with you guys completely about driving the left hand lane at the speed limit. That lane if for passing. But the center lane is fair game as long as you are driving the speed limit. You speeders can't have the whole road....lol

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:52 am

I am wearying of this but you misread the law. That statement means if you are on a 3 lane highway and it is splitting up ahead with two lanes going left, two lanes going right and you want to go to the left, get into the center lane, it is dedicated to your direction of travel. The center lane in this situation goes both directions.Dave

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:58 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»I am wearying of this but you misread the law. That statement means if you are on a 3 lane highway and it is splitting up ahead with two lanes going left, two lanes going right and you want to go to the left, get into the center lanes, it is dedicated to your direction of travel. The center lane in this situation goes both directions.DaveEven if that is so, you have yet to show me were it states on a more than 2 lane highway in each direction all traffic must drive in the furthest right hand lane. The law clearly states that you must be on the right half of the road. The way you state the law would mean that if it's a 10 lane highway, only those who are actively passing someone can use the other 4 lanes.The only lane that is absolutely, designated for passing is the furthest left hand lane.

VforVIBE · Post by **VforVIBE** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:28 am

Quote, originally posted by djkeev Â»I am wearying of this but you misread the law. That statement means if you are on a 3 lane highway and it is splitting up ahead with two lanes going left, two lanes going right and you want to go to the left, get into the center lane, it is dedicated to your direction of travel. The center lane in this situation goes both directions.DaveThat doesn't sound right, it doesn't say anything about splitting up the road. It's saying the highway is made up of three lanes... one lane going one way and another lane going the opposite, the center lane is a turning lane also known as a suicide lane. The law is saying you're not allowed to drive along in the center lane.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:09 am

Quote, originally posted by VforVIBE Â»That doesn't sound right, it doesn't say anything about splitting up the road. It's saying the highway is made up of three lanes... one lane going one way and another lane going the opposite, the center lane is a turning lane also known as a suicide lane. The law is saying you're not allowed to drive along in the center lane. The rule we are quoting is under the heading of "Multiple Lane Roads...4 or more marked lanes". We can debate who's interpretation of the law is correct, but this pic does not apply.

star_deceiver · Post by **star_deceiver** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:21 pm

I've seen them, every single one that you described. And weather I'm driving to work or across the province the simplest solution I've found, leave earlier and give yourself extra time. Be it 5 minutes or a few hours. If I leave 5 minutes early for the daily commute I find that the retards and slowpokes don't bother me nearly as much as when I leave at the regular time. That being said.... I really hate the tailgaters who just HAVE to get to the front and once they get there, now that all the supposed retards are behind them, they pull into the right lane and SLOW DOWN. The good ol' pass and slow, IMO the reason roadrage was invented.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:21 pm

It's not really valid to argue that people doing the speed limit in other than the right most lane should be ticketed because they prevent other people from speeding. It may be frustrating, (actually, no "may" about it) but if they are doing the maximum speed allowed by law, you've got no case if by doing so, they keep you from breaking different laws.but traffic laws aside, it is inconsiderate for people to block the passing lane when it would take only token effort and no risk for them to get out of the way. Argue the extremes, but most of us here care enough about our cars to drive in a way to protect them.vent on line, the internet is good for that, but leave the anger at the keyboard, don't take it with you when you get behind the wheel. Its hard, takes deliberate effort, but try. Take it easy out there, don't let it get to you. Ask silverawd26 about road rage.Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»I'll be out there as well.... armed... lol armed because I will be attending a training class for handguns LOL. seek professional help before you really do get to the point of shooting someone because they drive in a manner that inconveniences you.

keithvibe · Post by **keithvibe** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:26 pm

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»seek professional help before you really do get to the point of shooting someone because they drive in a manner that inconveniences you.I am seeking help... help with my aim and control No other help needed. Thanks for your concern.Guns are to prevent a life ending situation, and that's how I would use it. Quote Â» Ask silverawd26 about road rage.we can't he was banned

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:32 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â».........but traffic laws aside, it is inconsiderate for people to block the passing lane when it would take only token effort and no risk for them to get out of the way. Argue the extremes, but most of us here care enough about our cars to drive in a way to protect them.vent on line, the internet is good for that, but leave the anger at the keyboard, don't take it with you when you get behind the wheel. Its hard, takes deliberate effort, but try. Take it easy out there, don't let it get to you. Ask silverawd26 about road rage. I've no road rage, I live 100 yards from work and only run highways during pleasure trips. Most of my commutes are made in a GEM car using 12 feet of public road. Am I irritated by traffic blocking center lane riders? (and a good percentage of them are NOT even doing close to the speed limit BTW)Yes, no more so than the tailgater or traffic weaver though. They all deserve painful tickets and driving school equally.Do I speed? At times, depends upon the traffic flow and time of day. There are hours on I 80 and I 78 that if you don't speed, you could actually cause an accident! Generally I'm law abiding and defensive though.Actually my much bigger beefs lie with Truckers. The day of the "PROFESSIONAL" driver is largely gone and replaced by arrogant SOB's hauling tons of frieght.That is another topic!!!Dave

Water boy · Post by **Water boy** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:30 am

I average about 700-900 miles a week and have for years so I've seen it all at least once.I wish they would bring back the old lane use rule:Left lane for commissioned people.Right lane for hourly people.As to the center lane of 3 lanes, depending on the area, metro vs rural vs city, I generally will use the best flowing lane. In metro/city with lots of on ramps I center it to allow merging. Sometimes I drive a big truck and it is a pain to constantly move between right and center lanes.As to the right most lane becoming the fast lane, that came about because cops were picking speeders off in the left most lane.Generally, if the traffic is flowing safely at 80 then I'm there. If at 60, then I'm there to. I consider safety first in ALL of my driving decisions.With my driving experience, I could make a 2 hour video. I'm waaaay over 2 million miles.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:51 pm

Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»Guns are to prevent a life ending situation, and that's how I would use it. sorry to have misinterpreted your meaning. We were talking about frustrating drivers, and you said look out, I've got a gun, so I thought you were posing as someone who would actually use a firearm to resolve a traffic inconvenience. There are people out there who will shoot you if you cut them off in traffic, glad you are not planning or claiming to be one of them.Quote, originally posted by keithvibe Â»we can't he was banned yeah, he last posted about three years ago, (and still has the highest post count here, although Hope is closing in on him) I know he can no longer answer here, I guess I was just referencing his experience of being asaulted and run over by a driver who went nuts over some traffic thing. Just trying to say that there are lots of frustrating things out there on the road, we all need to not let it get us into a frenzy

djkeev · Post by **djkeev** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:44 pm

Ok,So last night I ran the Garden State Parkway from I 78 down to the Eatontown exit.Mind you I am now every much aware of driving patterns and center lane hoggers.It was a Saturday so very few commuters. Speed limit is rather slow for the highway South of 78. Constant entrances and exits one after another with rest areas thrown in for good measure!5 lanes of traffic heading South. The two Left lanes were obviously the excessive speeding lanes, working wonderfully.The Right lane along this stretch is basically one never ending entry exit lane so isn't practical to be a travel lane. The 2nd Right lane can be used and I did use it at times as traffic flow allowed. The limit through most of this is 50 MPH though the average speed was around 65. I found myself using mainly the Right lanes, one of them being the exact Center. I never used the far Right lane at all.So, I did as Tubaryan12 does and used the center lanes for the safety and convenience factor, it just wasn't practical to use the Right lane ever.1 point for Tubaryan 12!!As you approach 287 and the Driscoll Bridge the five lanes split, Three off to the Left to continue on your Southern Journey, Two to the Right to pick up 287/440/9/local roads.At this point you are forced to use the center lane to continue your direction of travel.The Bridge itself is oh gee, just a guess here, 8 - 10 lanes wide. The EZ Pass lanes are all to the Left so once again you must use the center block of lanes to maintain your travel unless you want to be counted among that sorry "class" of people who actually STOP and pay a toll with MONEY! I opt for the 65 MPH toll pay system.Beyond this point South the Road becomes more urban with few and farther apart exits, it is now two distinct 3 lanes traveling South Side by side, essentially two highways,(6 lanes total) and at this point I maintain a true keep Right except to pass stance.I now do 68 in a 65 in the Right Lane Zooming by all the idiots putzing along in the center lane at 55 - 65 mph.This is where my center lane riding becomes an irritation. WHY do they do this? there is absolutely no reason to run the center lane here. Exits are once every 10 miles or so. IF you take the express there are only 3 exits in the entire run. The express does narrow down to 2 lanes eventually where the irritation usually ends unless you've got granny passing fearful neurotic woman.Keep in mind there are no trucks on the GSP.So Tubaryan, you are partly correct. Though just a tiny bit.Dave