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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...camry/The 2010 Camry has been presented in Detroit last week.The 2.4L 158HP is replaced with a 2.5L 169HP. I guess we can expect it for the Vibe's mid-life refresh around 2010-2011

i really like the current camry look --- this one looks like the older model (2006) with a very ugly grille...

I'm really not a fan of that front grille they introduced on the Venza.

Won't do much good if they also keep adding 500lbs of unnecessary weight.

I'm not impressed at all and really do not like the corporate grill that Toyota is starting to put on everything. The Venza's nose it ugly and this Camry isn't much better.

Wow - 190 hp from a 2.5L 4 cyl. on the SE. I had the 2.5L 4 cyl. "Cast Iron Duke" in my Citation and it had 90 hp. 30 years of technology is certainly worth something.

when do they stop going bigger and more hp in a car? why not make one that gets 40mpg city thats not hybrid? seems like better goal than getting the same old 24/30mpg with more and more hp. if you really try to use that hp, its only gonna knock your mpg down more.

Today's Corolla is yesteryear's Camry; today's Civic is yesteryear's Accord; and so on.

I'll start by saying that Camry is still fugly... I can't stand Toyota's current front ends on most of their cars... Hopefully someday they stop drawing inspiration for their vehicle desings from insects! That Venza is especially horrid.I have to say I think this horsepower war that everyone - including the "fuel economy champion" Toyota is in - is complete BS. Lots of blah/bland/boring/vanilla family sedans now have the same amount of power that a sportscar had a few decades ago. A 268 HP Camry for cryin' out loud - is that really necessary? When is it going to stop - once the headlines read "Toyota grocery getter breaks the kilohorsepower mark"??? The industry sure has worked hard to squeeze more HP out of smaller displacements. When I started driving, I had an '82 Monte Carlo with a 3.8L 110 HP V6. Today, my 1.6L 4-banger Hyundai has the same amount of horsepower (but with a lot less torque.) lolImagine where we would be if they focused even just a little bit of that effort on improving fuel economy the way they have horsepower.

I completely hear what you're saying. My buddy just got an '08 v6 camry and he did a quarter mile test in it. With three people in the car including himself, he crossed quarter mile at 14.9 @ 97 mph. Unbelievable. It's stock by the way and an automatic. The six speed transmission is nuts. Toyota (and Honda, their accord v6 is also 268 hp) don't need to be making these powerful sedans, but the camry/accord have been top cars for a reason, so i guess its for that reason that Toyota and Honda will continue making them.

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic »I have to say I think this horsepower war that everyone - including the "fuel economy champion" Toyota is in - is complete BS. Lots of blah/bland/boring/vanilla family sedans now have the same amount of power that a sportscar had a few decades ago.[dons flame retardant apparel]So? If a family sedan can push 250 horse and get 30-40 mpg I'm happy. A car still needs to be functional. If it's getting 90 mpg but can't make it up a hill without getting out and pushing I don't see a point.

It would be nice to see something get 40 MPG that has 250 horsepower but nobody makes anything like that... the 4-banger Camcords are low 30's at best, and the V6's are probably lucky to see 30 on a good day.All I was saying was you don't have to have this much power (and to keep adding more every year) to still have a functional car. It wasn't too long ago that 150 HP in a family sedan was a screamer, now people laugh at that figure. I think the car rags are to blame for a lot of this. (removed)!

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic »All I was saying was you don't have to have this much power (and to keep adding more every year) to still have a functional car. It wasn't too long ago that 150 HP in a family sedan was a screamer, now people laugh at that figure. I think the car rags are to blame for a lot of this. (removed)!Agreed. For those who want 250+ HP there are plenty of options in the marketplace. But some of us feel that 100 HP was sufficient for a decent sized family car and that 60 HP would be more than enough for a small commuter car. Try and find such vehicles today in the US market. And the few that come close are then only offered with minimal options (like the limited choices for the '09 Vibe with the smaller 1.8l engine).

My 3.5L G6 puts out 201 and I'm more than satisfied with the kick in the nuts it can deliver. By many people's standards that's pathetic, but I'm content. I'm sure kari, nick and james can all testify that it's no wuss...

LOL, yeah - 201 is more than adequate power for a car of that size...

What kind of fuel mileage does that G6 get?

Quote, originally posted by ou.grizzly »What kind of fuel mileage does that G6 get?The way I drive......I average between 22-24mpg on a 70/30 local/highway road mix.Best I ever got was 36 right after I bought it on a trip to boston.

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »The way I drive......I average between 22-24mpg on a 70/30 local/highway road mix.Best I ever got was 36 right after I bought it on a trip to boston.Well, 36 mpg is good!

I think I just threw up a lil there..sorry.what a fugly car..this is suppose to scare the malibu and the accord.lol.......dont make laugh.

The new Accord is just bizarre to me from lots of different angles... but it looks much better than the Camry.

My dad has an Impala with the 3.5, and he averaged 30+ mpg going to Florida from Michigan. Highest was 34 mpg through Georgia.He gets 32 going to northern Michigan.

I had a 1977 Buick Estate wagon that I thought was getting good mileage - until I discovered the odometer advanced about 100 miles for every 90 actually driven. I could also drive quite fast and net get stopped by Smokey - when the speedo said 72 you were actually going 65. The dealer never thought that was a defect - within"normal" tolerances they said.

Quote, originally posted by jake75 »I had a 1977 Buick Estate wagon that I thought was getting good mileage - until I discovered the odometer advanced about 100 miles for every 90 actually driven. I could also drive quite fast and net get stopped by Smokey - when the speedo said 72 you were actually going 65. The dealer never thought that was a defect - within"normal" tolerances they said.Are you implying that the 3.5 in the Impala can not get 32 mpg highway? I have travelled with him, and it gets that mileage for real. You can base it on those green signs on the side of the road every mile.This is with cruise set at 70 mph. When I drive his car, with cruise at 78mph, it drops to 30 mpg.

Not at all - I have no reason to doubt that the 3.5 Impala can get that kind of mileage. Odometer error is just something to consider when evaluating mileage.My brother has a Toyota Avalon with a V-6, His highway mileage is sometimes 34-35 mpg. Wind resistance must be the Vibe's shortfall.

Beside wind resistence, I believe that tires play an important part in mpg. That is one thing on the Corolla that improves the gas mileage. I experienced a drop on my other vehicles when changing tires.

Quote, originally posted by jake75 »Odometer error is just something to consider when evaluating mileage.Yeah, no kididng... it's all out of whack in my Hyundai -- the speedometer consistently reads 5 MPH fast but the odometer is slow. For every 100 miles I drive physically, the odometer only registers 99. Hyundai says it's within specs, so their loss - my 100,000 mile warranty is now longer than 100,000 actual miles driven. Screws my fuel economy calcs slightly though, unless I factor in the discrepancy.Anyway, dad gets 32 MPG out of his supercharged Impala on the highway, that wasn't bad.

you guys want impressive engine size/power/economy? check out ford's new 1.6L!!!

Quote, originally posted by drunkenmaxx »you guys want impressive engine size/power/economy? check out ford's new 1.6L!!!Link?

who is doing the math for mpg and who is using the trip computer? Those trip computers are bung. My friend says he gets 27 in town and 33 hwy and I look at his trip comp and the average is 26mpg, which really means its about 23-24. I was LUCKY to get 30 mpg one time in my 3.1L 2002 malibu. Best ever was 43 mpg in a 1994 4 speed toyota tercel drafting off a truck.