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Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:14 am
by tnpartsguy
"GM division plans to cut up to four models. General Motors' Pontiac division, once the third largest-selling car brand in the United States, may see domestic sales drop as much as 40% as it shrinks its model lineup and pares sales to rental-car companies, according to the Detroit Free Press. Pontiac's U.S. sales could fall to 250,000 a year from 410,229 in 2006, said Jim Bunnell, who took over as chief of GM's Buick-Pontiac-GMC divisions on May 11. As many as four Pontiac models may be eliminated to focus the brand's image. Annual sales of "250,000 or so, that seems like a natural number," Mr. Bunnell said in an interview. He didn't say when that mark may be reached. " Buick is in the same boat. They will have only 3 Nameplates for 2008. I repeat what I've said before, get Pontiac OUT of the sport-ute/van business, let them focus on sportier cars; focusing on younger buyers.Sell Hummer, make GMC medium Duty (makes NO sense to me to market 2 lines of trucks against each other in an already tight market).Chevrolet should be focused on Trucks, Sport-uts, and basic transportation Cars. (Cobalt, Impala, and maybe a new Aveo that gets real-world good fuel milage)Sorry, not sure what to do about the Corvette.....continue marketing it as a Cadillac, and drop the Chevy version? Or make it a very limited production supercar? (Z06 only, maybe)

Re: Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride (tnpartsguy)

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:58 am
by KNINE
Anything larger than a pickup should go to GMC. Keep Corvette with Chevrolet. Kill the G5. GM only needs one Cobalt. Keep Chevrolet as is. Pontiac does not need a full lineup of cars. Pontiac should be a car only division with no more than four cars: Vibe, G6, Solstice, and some sort of RWD sedan.

Re: Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride (K-NINE)

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:59 am
by ZubenElGenubi
Quote, originally posted by K-NINE »...Pontiac should be a car only division with no more than four cars: Vibe, G6, Solstice, and some sort of RWD sedan.Here's my suggestion for the RWD sedan: Bring back the Bonneville as a high-performance touring sedan to compete with the 300C.

Re: Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride (ZubenElGenubi)

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:07 am
by NascarXprt
the RWD would be the G8 (grand prix or Bonneville)

Re: Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride (NascarXprt)

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:10 am
by ZubenElGenubi
Quote, originally posted by NascarXprt »the RWD would be the G8 (grand prix or Bonneville) Doh..just saw that @ Pontiac.com. Kinda got some Beemer lines to it. S'ok.

Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:27 pm
by high revin
I agree this has beena problem with most of Gm's line for a good why'll making all these same style cars Gm has been greedy for years wanting gross not quality and good point about the SUV's way to many dotn need them plus there way out classed and and to pricey dont look good for GM

Re: Pontiac dealers in for a rough ride (tnpartsguy)

Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:31 pm
by Merzbow
I've heard Pontiac was strictly dropping almost all their current models and only having a RWD lineup. To me that sounds like a good idea. Like what you said, use GMC and Chevy for trucks and SUVs and leave the cars to Pontiac.Personally I'd like to see more performance. I know most people look at gas milage and safety ratings and all that garbage but to me I think Pontiac or all American car manufacturers should stop *****-footing around and come up with some truely powerful concepts. Instead of, for example turning the almighty Malibu, Impala and let's say, the Monte Carlo from V8 monsters back in the day to the pieces of trash, generic looking, ALMOST somewhat powerful cars they are now.I know the big three are hurting badly but I can't see how...maybe it's because I live in the motor city but probably 80-85% of the cars I see on the road are American made so to me personally it doesn't seem like they are losing buisness to the Japanese and other foreign car companies.

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:58 am
by high revin
The futher isnt good ecpecially being there not going to be keeping the RWD cars with in 3-4 years Bob lutz says they will have to discontinue most rwd cars dew to there inabilty to reach the government mandated fuel requirements, I Hate to see it more than anybody but makes sense he says with the weight and engines these cars have with the transaxles and extra cubes they can not come close to the 30 mpg they are asking for the government that is they have already stop production of the newer buick RWD there suppose to be comming out with and many others are on the chopping block no tgood.And as for the foreighn cars not selling more than Gm's take a look around maybe not in detroit but everyyy where else there flooding the market with great little quality cars, and funny thing is they are more money and still sell them why'll Gm is red tagging everything and cant give them away, I guess what Toyota said was true they would take over #1 with out firing a shot acroos the bow , dosent surprise me and partsl guy is right Gm has made to many of the same stuff cavalier-sunfire firebird camro etc just to name a couple for way to long all the why'll honda and toyota have just sat back quitly and just focused on making quality little cars nd amazingly took over the country SAD yes but true

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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:01 am
by Merzbow
That's what I'm saying, I thin it's just my area but any given day I see more American then foreign, I mean, I see atleast 20 of those Dodge Ram 1500s on a 5 minute trup to the grocery store so they must be preetty close to giving them away if I see that many. Same goes for Gran Prixs and Grand Ams...they are EVERYWHERE around here. Same goes for Ford trucks, Focus, G6, Cobalt, Aveo, Suburbans, mini vans, escalade, corvette. all those I see a ton of everyday around here.

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:31 pm
by high revin
In alot of area i have noticed there really isnt any foreign dealers, we are surround by big three dealers here and of course there will be alot of domestics but i have noticed a huge increase in hondas and toyotas here and talking with the dealers the honda and toyyota shops cant keep them in there gone before they get to the lot, and these Gms and ford dealers are all hurting , i see it every weak day after day . I travel to 32 dealers aweak with my business, I put stripes and custom graphics on autos and its getting to be the same ole thing and its not be accident people are buying these cars there just getting tired of getting screwed with buying a gm or ford and driving it off the lot and losing 6 grand before they get home

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:15 am
by VivaVibe
I would expect areas in the "rust belt" would be dominated by American auto makers. However, out in the rest of the country they are fast being eclipsed by foreign makes. There is a highway near where live with several dealers in a short stretch. It could be called auto-row; and there are several places like this around. This one section has the following dealers Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, Acura, Mazda, VW, Pontiac and Ford. Oh and two more new ones going in Lexus and Mercedes. So tell me, who is thriving?I live in a lower income neighborhood and just looking at my close neighbors I see 3 Toyotas, 2 Nissans, 1 Kia, 1-20 yr old Porsche, an old Chevy pickup, a Ford pickup and an old Buick. Add my Vibe and you get the picture.I'm not saying the imports are better cars as I think most of the difference is in promotion and perception. I've always preferred and owned American brands and have never had what I would call a bad car. Case in point, coming home from work, I passed a couple of suits pushing their new Audi out of the traffic lane because it just quit running. And they claim to be better and worth the extra price?!I do agree if GM and domestics would better define their lines and improve their warranty and service that they would compete and beat any imports as they do build good cars. Cadillac has done that pretty well in the past few years. I think GM would be wise to continue that trend.