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I thought I was seeing things, but here the price of diesel is $3.49/gal while reg. unleaded is at $2.39. Those with diesel engine have to be fuming. Pity the truck drivers. Hopefully the farmers have their crops in.

Thank god I didnt get the TDI Jetta, although this will be temporarry I would assume.

Same price for diesel here. That's just insane! Diesel was cheaper than gasoline there when the price spiked up to the $3.something range, but then gasoline started coming down in price and diesel has yet to do so. Crazy! I sure feel bad for the guys in the big rigs right now... And eventually, we will all be feeling the effects.

It is 1 dollar more for diesel here also, why???

And it gets worse! http://wjbdradio.com/news_view.asp?WEBID=3606Quote »Users and distributors of diesel fuel expect the price per gallon will exceed $4 in Illinois. It's a Midwest supply problem. Don Schaefer says members of his Midwest Truckers Association are upset. He some refineries are down and there are supply problem in Minnesota, leading to $4 per dollar per gallon price already in Kansas. Bill Fleischli of the Illinois Petroleum Marketers Association says gulf coast production is off kilter and supply is down. He adds that he doesn't expect prices to better unless the next two or three weeks. Schaefer says many of his members have parked their trucks until diesel fuel costs drop.http://www.channel3000.com/new....htmlh ... ws....html

Part of it might be that while consumers can curtail personal auto use most diesel powered uses are not discretionery.

another factor that tends to drive the price of diesel up in the winter is that diesel is the same product as #2 heating oil, except the heating oil has a dye to identify that road taxes were not paid on it. As the heating season begins, demand for that refinery product goes up. probably not a factor in this current outageous price spike. Given the contribution in transportation costs in everything we buy, this spike will probably be something we all end up paying.

Quote, originally posted by jake75 »Part of it might be that while consumers can curtail personal auto use most diesel powered uses are not discretionery. That's why the government has been trying to persuade new companies and old into creating bio-diesel fuel which is made from oils like soy bean and veggie. A few of my friends are starting a business to manufacture this locally and it's pretty amazing what can be done with soy bean oil and it's by products. Eventually more vehicles will be able to use diesel and they will fully understand the effects of bio-diesel fuel to engines and adapt any necessary changes. It's all pretty cool and I'm lucky enough to be in the ground works.

make your own bio-diesel time!!!

i make my own bio-methane gas all the time!

Quote, originally posted by drunkengirlfriend »That's why the government has been trying to persuade new companies and old into creating bio-diesel fuel which is made from oils like soy bean and veggie. A few of my friends are starting a business to manufacture this locally and it's pretty amazing what can be done with soy bean oil and it's by products. Eventually more vehicles will be able to use diesel and they will fully understand the effects of bio-diesel fuel to engines and adapt any necessary changes. It's all pretty cool and I'm lucky enough to be in the ground works. Except that so far most bio-diesel products actually use more petroleum energy to grow and process them than they produce. So they are a net loss. Soybeans are the best crop, but still a loss. Another problem is that NOx emissions are actually worse with bio-diesels. (And diesels produce lots of NOx, the stuff in acid rain).Finally, even if the entire US corn crop was turned into fuel, it would only meet less than 12% of current fuel needs.Very interesting study:http://www.physorg.com/news4942.html

Good point.The whole idea is still working itself out, but a major production problem up to this point has been there are 2 by products created during production glycerine and a sludge. The glyc. has been easy enough to figure out because there are uses for it, but the sludge has been the problem...up till now. My boys are testing for fertilizer uses and the company is looking mostly to provide fuel to farmers for tractors now until there is enough research to refine the whole process.Besides this group is going to use recycled oils that would normally be destroyed. It's rather brilliant. They know more about the specifics about everything, but the governments local and otherwise are really taking notice to the possibilities.

Quote, originally posted by drunkengirlfriend »Good point.The whole idea is still working itself out, but a major production problem up to this point has been there are 2 by products created during production glycerine and a sludge. The glyc. has been easy enough to figure out because there are uses for it, but the sludge has been the problem...up till now. My boys are testing for fertilizer uses and the company is looking mostly to provide fuel to farmers for tractors now until there is enough research to refine the whole process.Besides this group is going to use recycled oils that would normally be destroyed. It's rather brilliant. They know more about the specifics about everything, but the governments local and otherwise are really taking notice to the possibilities.If they have, or ever do, get a website up with some info, I'd be interested in reading more about what they are doing. Hope it works out. (My brother is big into bio-diesel, but as you may have guessed I remain skeptical ).

I will keep you posted. They are in the begining finding a location and working on grants but they have business waiting in the wings and they are an amazing group of guys. I completely understand why you are skeptical, it is still very new, but I have read and read so much about this I am more and more confident every day.