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How can i make the fog lights stay on while the car has hi-beam lights turned on?

Why would you want them on with high beams?

Quote, originally posted by tangerine »Why would you want them on with high beams?Why not?

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »Why not? I never understood the "no fogs with high beams" rule. Figure high beams are bright enough to blind other motorists, so what does it matter if the fogs are on too?

This feature actually has helped me. As the high beams light up everything for away in site, the fogs still light everyting that is on the ground that the high beams don't light up.Inder

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »I never understood the "no fogs with high beams" rule. Figure high beams are bright enough to blind other motorists, so what does it matter if the fogs are on too?why not excatly. my grand am was like that. is worth it like that since the other person said. when u put the high beams there is almost no light close to the car, only far away...

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »I never understood the "no fogs with high beams" rule. Law.Lawlawlawlawlawlawlawlawlaw.You can only have four filaments operating on the front of a car at any given time. This is from way back when, I think.. on many cars, the highbeams work with the lowbeams, so if you had low+fog = 4 beams.Hi + low = 4 beamsHi + low + fog = 6 beams.They don't like that. NJ especially is very strict about it. So, manufacturers make it so when you have the hi's on, the fogs turn off. Also, if you have the hibeams on in fog, it virtually destroys any hope of seeing the ground where the foglights are anyway.

Not to mention that driving with the fog lights on WHEN THERE AIN'T NO FOG is really pretty durn inconsiderate...four 55w lights aimed directly at an oncoming motorist or not directly...it's friggin' bright. They call 'em fog lamps for a reason...OK, I'll get off my soap box now. Blinded in Portland

i laugh every time i see someone with fog lights on. it so rarely rains here they do it for "show".

I just did the mod discussed in this thread,http://forums.genvibe.com/zerothread?id=12376It worked like a charm. not only can I have my fogs and brights on at the same time,which I probably won't, I can have my fogs on with just my driving lights. by the way I think that the fogs are aimed low enough that you aren't going to blind anyone.

Quote, originally posted by 4X4CHICHI » by the way I think that the fogs are aimed low enough that you aren't going to blind anyone.OK......They blind me, but then again, I guess I am not so lucky to have bullet proof vision

Quote, originally posted by idontknowwhatimdoing »OK......They blind me, but then again, I guess I am not so lucky to have bullet proof visionFog lights - properly aimed - should illuminate the road directly in front of the car. To an oncoming driver, they're harmless, as they should have a slight angle downward. Any vehicle's foglights that are hurting your eyes or blinding you, are seriously out of alignment.

That's what I'm talking about. (in my best Kip voice)

if you are blinded by fog lights, stop laying on the ground and staring into them!

OK you win..................I guess I am REALLY THAT DUMB!

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »Fog lights - properly aimed - should illuminate the road directly in front of the car. To an oncoming driver, they're harmless, as they should have a slight angle downward. Any vehicle's foglights that are hurting your eyes or blinding you, are seriously out of alignment.To an oncoming driver at what distance and with what road conditions? Transverse waves (light) reflect don't they? Wet roads (Washington & Oregon roads are wet quite a bit) and the construction material (i.e. concrete vs. blacktop) can reflect dramatically with a much more significant gain than blacktop. If you are accelerating rapidly, the car might change the angle of the lights (rear end squatting) for the duration of the acceleration thereby shining directly at an oncoming motorist. You also can not control the glare of an oncoming drivers windshield or corrective eye glasses. aimed porperly or not, there is a way for that light to get to the eyes of the oncoming motorist, otherwise you would not be able to tell if your lights were on or not. (think about it) This can also be aggrivated by ambient light level of the surroundings. (i.e. a dark road with no street lamps vs. main street with excellent lighting) It is a simple matter of common courtesy to other motorists. I believe in the golden rule...the suceptibility to road blindness gets aggrivated as you get older...you'll see.The use of vehicle equipment for the conditions that warrant the use...But as I said, I guess I will just have to deal with it.Sorry folks, I can understand the desire to drive with the fogs on, it makes the car look friggin' mean man! It is just a pet peeve of mine.

idontknowwhatimdoing:You do have some valid, solid arguments, and I don't deny that yes, sometimes, fogs can raise a glare to an oncoming driver.That being said, can't regular low-beam headlights as well? If an oncoming car is coming over a hill, for a moment while it hits the apex and starts heading downward towards you, the lows will shine you in the eyes, sometimes, quite viciously.Like I said, your points are valid, and I can see your side of it. But I truly feel that fogs, for the most part, are no more distracting than traditional headlights.Also keep in mind, they want the fogs on with the highs. Respectful drivers always switch to low-beams when there's an oncoming car. Again, fogs would be operating under "normal approved" circumstances then. So realistically, this shouldn't affect anyone, as high beams should never be used when there's any other cars around.

I don't use the fog lights in my Vibe, I find them to be relatively useless, and the extra light they shine in oncoming traffic, while perhaps not aimed directly into their eyes, is still another bright light they have to deal with. Since they don't help me, I don't use them because of the negative effect it can have on other drivers. But I still like the idea of being able to control when they are on or off.

I find that the fogs help me see better on the interstate at night and on roads without reflective paint on the lines, because they directly illuminate the road, fog or not.

Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »That being said, can't regular low-beam headlights as well? If an oncoming car is coming over a hill, for a moment while it hits the apex and starts heading downward towards you, the lows will shine you in the eyes, sometimes, quite viciously.Agreed, but four 55W bulbs shining at an oncoming vehicle versus only two would be less of an issue right? Wouldn't that be similar to high beams in a sense? Also this is dramatically increased when the fogs are closer in proximity to the main headlights on the physical makeup of the front of the vehicle, such as the older acura integra (90-93)...on other cars, the high beams were a second lamp sitting next to the low beam lamp and high beams lit both lamps for a total of four 55w bulbs...I give up, I am beating a dead horse here, people want what they want and I TOTALLY respect that. I would hope that you would look at the lamps of oncoming drivers a little differently now and try to see my point as I will try to understand the desire of others as well.

I'm just gonna stay out of Vancouver.

ok

You guys are all going to hate me. I precede the following message with the following: The ratio of smart, considerate drivers to irritating, incompetent drivers is frighteningly skewed to the latter here in Houston.Not only do i run with my fogs on every time i drive at night but i purposefully have my silverstar headlights angled UP to their legal limit (I checked with my two best friends, who are local cops). I do this for 2 reasons, first and FOREMOST angling up my headlights gives me nearly 75 feet of lighted visibility in front of the car (which has saved my (removed) many a time) and when combined with the fogs i get an uninterrupted bath of light in front of the car; and second, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this thought, when i drive i put my own safety first, period. I don't care if my headlights are too bright for other drivers. Even my angled up headlights are not nearly as piercing as HIDs and if having those lights up will allow me to see a pothole, tree branch, cinder block, small animal or small child a fraction of a second sooner at night, then all the cornea burns were worth it.On a side note, i do disable my DRLs so as not to needlessly offend during the day.And on that note, let the mudslinging begin.

Quote, originally posted by ALi3N »You guys are all going to hate me. I precede the following message with the following: The ratio of smart, considerate drivers to irritating, incompetent drivers is frighteningly skewed to the latter here in Houston.Not only do i run with my fogs on every time i drive at night but i purposefully have my silverstar headlights angled UP to their legal limit (I checked with my two best friends, who are local cops). I do this for 2 reasons, first and FOREMOST angling up my headlights gives me nearly 75 feet of lighted visibility in front of the car (which has saved my (removed) many a time) and when combined with the fogs i get an uninterrupted bath of light in front of the car; and second, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this thought, when i drive i put my own safety first, period. I don't care if my headlights are too bright for other drivers. Even my angled up headlights are not nearly as piercing as HIDs and if having those lights up will allow me to see a pothole, tree branch, cinder block, small animal or small child a fraction of a second sooner at night, then all the cornea burns were worth it.On a side note, i do disable my DRLs so as not to needlessly offend during the day.And on that note, let the mudslinging begin.I am not willing to sling any mud...like I said, I believe in personal freedom, and it is simply your choice and your right to drive how you wish exactly like it is my choice and right to disagree with you. The same logic you use to protect your own personal safety should be of some concern, would you swerve into another motorist in order to avoid the same obstacles you spoke of?