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Cellphone numbers issued by government (BLOCK IT HERE)

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:02 pm
by Merzbow
Sooo as of December 15th I think it is, the government is releasing everyone's cellphone number to silicitors everywhere...I'm not sure if this has been covered, I did a search and came up with nothing so I thought you all might want to do this. My mom's boss forwarded her a memo on how to get your number off the list. She told me. There is a number to call and it is free, If you register your cell number, your number must legally BE REMOVED from their list. You have to call the number FROM YOUR CELLPHONE.The number is 1-888-382-1222You yourself have to pay the bill for the silicitors calling you. Infact, today in school during my engineering class my phone started vibrating and I read the number. It was an 800 number. After class I listened to the message that was left and to my surprise it was a silicitation for a Caribean vacation!!!!! I dunno about anyone else but I am a broke kid that can't pay for useless sillicitation calls that also disrupt my schooling and other things.Once you dial the number a recording will come on and it will ask you if you want english. Then it will ask you to enter your 10 digit cell phone number (remember you must be calling from the cell phone you want off the list) Onve you enter the number (including the area code without the number 1 in front) it will match the number entered with your cellphone's actual number. If they match then you're good to go. You must do it before the 15th! HURRY!

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (Merzbow)

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:30 pm
by ragingfish
This is a HOAX.It has been ILLEGAL since 1991 for telemarketers to make calls to you on your mobile phone.I can't find the page now, but I'll get back to you on it...

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (ragingfish)

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:27 pm
by ColonelPanic
Here you go guys... As seen here: http://urbanlegends.about.com/...y.htmQuote »Urban Legends and Folklore'Do Not Call' List for Cell Phone Users Netlore Archive: Email flier warns that a directory of cell phone numbers will soon be published and urges users to enter their cell phone numbers on a federal 'do not call' list to prevent unsolicited calls from telemarketers Description: Email flierCirculating since: Sep. 2004Status: Partly trueAnalysis: See below Variant #1: Email example contributed by Gail E., 14 October 2004: Cell Phone Directory: A directory of cell phone numbers will be published soon. This opens the door to solicitors calling our cell phones using up our minutes. The Federal Trade Commission has set up a do not call list. You must call FROM the number you wish to register, or go to their website at http://www.donotcall.gov, to be included on the do not call list. The number is 1-888-382-1222.Variant #2: Email example contributed by Jason S., 2 December 2004: For anyone that has a cell phone .... In a few weeks, cell phone numbers will be released to telemarketing companies and you may start to receive sales calls. Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222. Doing so will add your cell phone number to the national "Do Not Call" list. It should block your number from telemarketing calls for 5 years. Variant #3: Email example contributed by Paul T., 9 December 2004: Subject: Fwd: FW: Cell phone telemarketing Thought you guys could use this information!! PASS IT ON!!! Starting Jan 1, 2005, all cell phone numbers will be made public to telemarketing firms. So this means as of Jan 1, your cell phone may start ringing off the hook with telemarketers, but unlike your home phone, most of you pay for your incoming calls. These telemarketers will eat up your free minutes and end up costing you money in the long run. According to the National Do Not Call List, you have until Dec. 15th 2004 to get on the national "Do not call list" for cell phones. They said that you need to call 1-888-382-1222 from the cell phone that you wish to have put on the "do not call list" to be put on the list. They also said you can do it online at http://www.donotcall.gov Registering only takes a minute, is in effect for 5 years and will possibly save you money (definitely frustration)! Make sure you register now! Comments: While it's true that the major wireless phone providers (with the exception of Verizon) have announced their intention to establish a 411 directory of customers' cell phone numbers beginning in late 2005, it is not true that they plan to "publish" said directory for any and all to read. Participating companies say the numbers will be made available only with customer consent and only via telephone to users who dial directory assistance and pay a fee. The companies swear the numbers will never be available to telemarketers. Not everyone believes that, however, as evidenced by a privacy protection bill already introduced in Congress which would modify the plan to allow 411 callers to be directly connected to requested parties without the latter's phone numbers being given out. Per FCC regulations, telemarketers are already prohibited from calling cell phone numbers using automated dialers, which are standard in the industry. Dec. 15th 'deadline' is bogus In any case, the Federal Trade Commission does allow cell phone users to add their numbers to the National Do Not Call Registry — the same one already in force for landlines — either on the Web or by calling 1-888-382-1222. Contrary to what some variants of the email rumor claim, there is no December 15, 2004 deadline for adding cell phone numbers to the list — indeed, there is no deadline whatsoever.

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (ColonelPanic)

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:29 pm
by ColonelPanic
Just to be on the safe side, I registered my phone last week.. You never know, so I guess it didn't hurt to sign up...

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (Merzbow)

Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:38 pm
by soldierguy
Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »I dunno about anyone else but I am a broke kid that can't pay for useless sillicitation calls That's why I love the cell service in Korea. It's all based on pre-paid calling cards (no bills ever and if I run out of minutes I just can't call out), all incoming calls are free, no long distance charges, and no roaming charges. It works out to be about 9 cents per minute, regardless of whether I'm calling a cell or a hardwired phone anywhere here in Korea, or the US. I occasionally get solicitiation calls on my cell, but they are either text messages (all in Korean so I can't read it) or recordings...I've never gotten a live person on a solicitation call here so it's easy to hang up without being rude.

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (ragingfish)

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:44 am
by Merzbow
Awwww, I never get to post important info. Oh well, I just thought everyone would want to know. I did get a silicitation in engineering so it must not be illegal or I should be able to make a complaint!?!? I've recieved about 3 or 4 silicitation calls within the last 6 months too not just one. I have Cingular by the way.How do you know this is a hoax, did you sign up for it and still get a silicitation call or something? It doesn't seem like there'd be any possible way for it to be a hoax unless you still recieved silicitation calls after registering your number. I registered mine just incase. It doesn't cost anything and like Colonel Panic said, wont hurt me in anyway so you may as well give it a shot right?

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (soldierguy)

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:06 am
by Stang2Vibe
Quote, originally posted by soldierguy »That's why I love the cell service in Korea. It's all based on pre-paid calling cards (no bills ever and if I run out of minutes I just can't call out)That is a popular system in several countries now. Several European countries have it. We have it now here in the States with certain plans through some cell service providers. A guy I work with bought a phone that works like that for his teenage daughter because he didn't want to be stuck with HUGE overage charges. He said that she gets one prepaid card per month from him and if she uses it up then too bad for her. She can purchase more minutes with her own money if she wants. I thought that was a great idea for chatty kids.Quote, originally posted by soldierguy »no long distance charges, and no roaming charges.Remember, though, that the entire country of South Korea is smaller than most US states and I doubt that North Korea has any major system of cellular service available to the general public. My home calling area is probably bigger than the entire country of South Korea and it is the standard area that comes with the service plan. I also pay a small extra fee for no long distance charges to anywhere in the continental US (a much larger land area than Korea). So is it really that good of a deal over there? Just wondering and trying to put things into perspective.Quote, originally posted by soldierguy »It works out to be about 9 cents per minute, regardless of whether I'm calling a cell or a hardwired phone anywhere here in Korea, or the US.It is a nice feature for you to be able to call the states for the same price. I'm assuming that most of your calls are probably back to the states. But 9 cents per minute doesn't seem that great for domestic calls, though I don't know what it would typically cost otherwise there in Korea. I know that if I divide the cost of my plan by the minutes I have available, it would be far less than 9 cents per minute, even including my long distance upgrade charge.Quote, originally posted by soldierguy »I occasionally get solicitiation calls on my cell, but they are either text messages (all in Korean so I can't read it) or recordings...I've never gotten a live person on a solicitation call here so it's easy to hang up without being rude.I've had this cell phone plan for about 2 1/2 years now and I have never received any sort of solicitation call or text message. I did, however, get 2 text messages from Verizon's system advertising the last summer olympics. I was not charged for those messages. And yes, Verizon is my service provider. They happen to have the best coverage in my area, that is why I went with them after my family and I had tried several other providers.And how could anyone possibly feel rude by hanging up on an unwanted solicitation call? Just hanging up is probably one of the least rude ways of getting rid of someone who just disturbed your peace. I don't currently have a landline connected in my house (don't really need one or want one with good cellular service), but when I lived at home and we did have one, my family usually left it up to me to have a little fun thinking up the meanest things possible to do to telemarketers making those unwanted calls. And I have no remorse for it whatsoever.

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (Merzbow)

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:32 am
by ragingfish
Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »How do you know this is a hoax, did you sign up for it and still get a silicitation call or something? It doesn't seem like there'd be any possible way for it to be a hoax unless you still recieved silicitation calls after registering your number. I registered mine just incase. It doesn't cost anything and like Colonel Panic said, wont hurt me in anyway so you may as well give it a shot right?It's a hoax because (A) there is NO directory being produced by the government, and (B) because it is against FEDERAL LAW to solicit to a mobile phone number.Quote »In 1991 President Bush signed into law the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (TCPA), Public Law 102-243 (1991), which amended Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, 47 U.S.C. Section 201 et seq., by adding a new section, 47 U.S.C. Section 227. The U.S. Congress enacted it to reduce the nuisance and invasion of privacy caused by telemarketing and prerecorded calls. Congress ordered the FCC to make and clarify certain regulations some of which are given below (47 CFR 64.1200).Subpart L - Restrictions on Telephone Solicitation 1. No person may 1. Initiate any telephone call (other than a call made for emergency purposes or made with the prior express consent of the called party) using an automatic telephone dialing system or an artificial or prerecorded voice, 1. To any emergency telephone line, including any 911 line and any emergency line of a hospital, medical physician or service office, health care facility, poison control center, or fire protection or law enforcement agency; 2. To the telephone line of any guest room or patient room of a hospital, health care facility, elderly home, or similar establishment; or 3. To any telephone number assigned to a paging service, cellular telephone service, specialized mobile radio service, or other radio common carrier service, or any service for which the called party is charged for the call; 2. Initiate any telephone call to any residential telephone line using an artificial or prerecorded voice to deliver a message without the prior express consent of the called party, unless the call is initiated for emergency purposes or is exempted by sec. 64.1200(c). 3. Use a telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine. 4. Use an automatic telephone dialing system in such a way that two or more telephone lines of a multi-line business are engaged simultaneously. 2. For the purpose of sec. 64.1200(a) the term "emergency purposes" means calls made necessary in any situation affecting the health and safety of consumers. 3. The term "telephone call" in sec. 64.1200(a)(2) shall not include a call or message by, or on behalf of, a caller: 1. that is not made for a commercial purpose, 2. that is made for a commercial purpose but does not include the transmission of any unsolicited advertisement, 3. to any person with whom the caller has an established business relationship at the time the call is made, or 4. which is a tax-exempt nonprofit organization. 4. All artificial or prerecorded telephone messages delivered by an automatic telephone dialing system shall: 1. At the beginning of the message, state clearly the identity of the business, individual, or other entity initiating the call, and 2. During or after the message, state clearly the telephone number (other than that of the autodialer or prerecorded message player which placed the call) or address of such business, other entity, or individual. 5. No person or entity shall initiate any telephone solicitation to a residential telephone subscriber 1. before the hour of 8 A.M. or after 9 P.M. (local time at the called party's location), and 2. unless such person or entity has instituted procedures for maintaining a list of persons who do not wish to receive telephone solicitations made by or on behalf of that person or entity. The procedures instituted must meet the following minimum standards: 1. Written policy. Persons or entities making telephone solicitations must have a written policy, available upon demand, for maintaining a do-not-call list. 2. Training of personnel engaged in telephone solicitation. Personnel engaged in any aspect of telephone solicitation must be informed and trained in the existence and use of the do-not-call list. 3. Recording, disclosure of do-not-call requests. If a person or entity making a telephone solicitation (or on whose behalf a solicitation is made) receives a request from a residential telephone subscriber not to receive calls from that person or entity, the person or entity must record the request and place the subscriber's name and telephone number on the do-not-call list at the time the request is made. If such requests are recorded or maintained by a party other than the person or entity on whose behalf the solicitation is made, the person or entity on whose behalf the solicitation is made will be liable for any failures to honor the do-not-call request. In order to protect the consumer's privacy, persons or entities must obtain a consumer's prior express consent to share or forward the consumer's request not to be called to a party other than the person or entity on whose behalf a solicitation is made or an affiliated entity. 4. Identification of telephone solicitor. A person or entity making a telephone solicitation must provide the called party with the name of the individual caller, the name of the person or entity on whose behalf the call is being made, and a telephone number or address at which the person or entity may be contacted. If a person or entity makes a solicitation using an artificial or prerecorded voice message transmitted by an autodialer, the person or entity must provide a telephone number other than that of the autodialer or prerecorded message player which placed the call. The telephone number provided may not be a 900 number or any other number for which charges exceed local or long distance transmission charges. [as amended 7/26/95] 5. Affiliated persons or entities. In the absence of a specific request by the subscriber to the contrary, a residential subscriber's do-not-call request shall apply to the particular business entity making the call (or on whose behalf a call is made), and will not apply to affiliated entities unless the consumer reasonably would expect them to be included given the identification of the caller and the product being advertised. 6. Maintenance of do-not-call lists. A person or entity making telephone solicitations must maintain a record of a caller's request not to receive future telephone solicitations. A do not call request must be honored for 10 years from the time the request is made. [as amended 7/26/95] 6. As used in this section: 1. The terms "automatic telephone dialing system" and "autodialer" mean equipment which has the capacity to store or produce telephone numbers to be called using a random or sequential number generator and to dial such numbers. 2. The term "telephone facsimile machine" means equipment which has the capacity to transcribe text or images, or both, from paper into an electronic signal and to transmit that signal over a regular telephone line, or to transcribe text or images (or both) from an electronic signal received over a regular telephone line onto paper. 3. The term "telephone solicitation" means the initiation of a telephone call or message for the purpose of encouraging the purchase or ren
tal of, or investment in, property, goods, or services, which is transmitted to any person, but such term does not include a call or message 1. to any person with that person's prior express invitation or permission, 2. to any person with whom the caller has an established business relationship, or 3. by a tax-exempt nonprofit organization. 4. The term "established business relationship" means a prior or existing relationship formed by a voluntary two-way communication between a person or entity and a residential subscriber with or without an exchange of consideration, on the basis of an inquiry, application, purchase or transaction by the residential subscriber regarding products or services offered by such person or entity, which relationship has not been previously terminated by either party. 5. The term "unsolicited advertisement" means any material advertising the commercial availability or quality of any property, goods, or services which is transmitted to any person without that person's prior express invitation or permission.What to do:Quote »The law allows one free violation in the case of requests not to call, but other violations (such as time restrictions) should be immediately actionable. See Private Citizen's letter to the FCC. Here is the relevant excerpt from the TCPA:[Feedback] (5) PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION.--A person who has received more than one telephone call within any 12 month period by or on behalf of the same company in violation of the regulations prescribed under this subsection may, if otherwise permitted by the laws or rules of court of a State bring in an appropriate court of that State-- 1. an action based on a violation of the regulations prescribed under this subsection to enjoin such violation, 2. an action to recover for actual monetary loss from such a violation, or to receive up to $500 in damages for each such violation, whichever is greater, or 3. both such actions. It shall be an affirmative defense in any action brought under this paragraph that the defendant has established and implemented, with due care, reasonable practices and procedures to effectively prevent telephone solicitations in violation of the regulations prescribed under this subsection. If the court finds that the defendant willingly or knowingly violated the regulations prescribed under this subsection, the court may, in its discretion, increase the amount of the award to an amount equal to not more than 3 times the amount available under subparagraph (B) of this paragraph.And as a side note, I WOULD NOT call that 888 number above...It is most likely the number of a telemarketing agency, disguised to sound like a number removal service. I'll bet any amount of money when you call that number, you're in fact subjecting yourself to 10 times the amount of unsolicited calls you receive now, because you just HANDED some company your phone number!

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (ragingfish)

Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:21 pm
by ColonelPanic
Quote, originally posted by ragingfish »I'll bet any amount of money when you call that number, you're in fact subjecting yourself to 10 times the amount of unsolicited calls you receive now, because you just HANDED your company your phone number!lol! Wouldn't that be something? Just like trying to "opt out" of a spam campaing. I didn't call the number to get on the do-not-call list, instead I went here: https://www.donotcall.gov/register/Reg.aspx I figured if I was going to put my number out there, I would rather not call a number to get it done, since you don't really know who you're talking to on the other end.I haven't had much of a problem, I've been with Sprint for about 4.5 years now. Until last week when I kept getting at least two calls a day from a toll free number. I never answered, and they never left voicemails. I got kinda fed up with having the stupid phone waking me up at 1 PM (c'mon folks, your 1 PM is my 1 AM!!!) After several days of them bugging me, I did a google for the number that was calling me. Found it was $print themselves. I finally called that number back and asked them what the hell they wanted... Of course they wanted to make sure that I was happy with the serivce, and oh yeah while we're at it, would you like another phone for x more per month? Um, hell no, A:) I have no one to give it to, and B:) I don't really want a cell phone even for myself these days. If the telemarketers end up flooding me with calls, I probably wouldn't notice. I don't answer the phone anyway, regardless of who may be calling. Leave me a voicemail, and if I feel like it, I'll call you in a few days. Don't leave a voicemail, and I don't want to talk to you anyway. lol

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (desert_dweller)

Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:35 am
by ColonelPanic
hmm... I was getting a lot of calls at home that show up as 'NEW BRUNSWICK CALL' or 'QUEBEC CALL' ... None on the cell phone yet, but that is an interesting question.

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (ragingfish)

Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:56 am
by Merzbow
Well, if it was a disguised telemarketers than that would be rediculous and I dunno what I would do lol.As far as giving out cell numbers being illegal. LOL come on, we're talkin about the US government...they do plenty of illegal things worse than this. What would keep them from doing it?I dunno, I already called the number so I gues we're just gonna have to see what happens but now that you frightened people away from teh number you may as well delete this thread since it's useless now (removed)! You have a good arguement though RagingFish. If it was a trap I'll give you the props

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (Merzbow)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:49 am
by drunkenmaxx
question is just who the hell are you giving your number to??

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (drunkenvibe)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:23 am
by Merzbow
the "Do Not Call" registry I believe.

Re: Cellphone numbers issued by government (Merzbow)

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:27 am
by drunkenmaxx
Quote, originally posted by Merzbow »the "Do Not Call" registry I believe.and if this is a hoax?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:54 am
by ragingfish
Well, I verified, that number IS in fact the national DNC registry...That being said, the threat of the government selling your number is still a hoax.

Re: (ragingfish)

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:35 am
by Merzbow
hm, lol ok oh well...I tried Thanks for getting the facts straight atleast.