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This can probably be answered with a "no can do!" but I figured I would ask anyway. Any chance those with a pre-2005 Vibe with automatic and power package could find a means to retrofit the programmable power lock feature now found on 2005's with automatic? I'd really like to have my doors automagically lock for me, especially since I forget that the hatch is also unlocked when the rest of the doors are. It would be nice to just swap out a module of some sort to the '05 model to get this feature, but I doubt it is that easy.

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All conjecture:The locks themselves should be the same as in previous years, and it's likely that most, if not all of the wiring is the same, so it should be possible. Maybe need to run a couple wires to the new module, so that it can tell the dome light switch and gear shift positions. I am pretty sure it can be done, but the two important questions would be how hard and how much $.Would help to get a 2005 wiring diagram and compare it to a 2003 Some people have the 2003 and 2004 manuals, don't know anyone with a 2005 set yet.Has anyone signed up for alldatadiy.com for their Vibe?

I can look up and see if the wiring is different when i'm at work tomorrow.Technically, you just need it to pulse when you switch the ignition on, or switch into gear. Getting an aftermarket alarm / keyless entry setup will do that. Usually as a programmable feature. The Viper alarm I installed in mine, and the remote start Mike put in his are programmable to automatically lock and unlock.

Quote, originally posted by Jahntassa »the remote start Mike put in his are programmable to automatically lock and unlock.Yup!3 seconds after the key is turned to "ON" (not start) the doors lock. They auto unlock when I turn the key to "OFF."I LOVE it!But, it's not really programmable. Either they do it, or they don't.

I'm still kinda wanting this feature, but at this point could care less if I install the stock thingamajigs that make the locks work automagically like on the '05. I feel like tearing into this thing for the however much longer I'm going to own it, so it's on! The goal is to make the ol' vibe even further discombobulated than it already is. How about just simply finding the signal from the gear position switch (the car is an auto) and putting that into a circuit to interface with the door lock relays and stuff?Shifting from park locks the doors, shifting back to park unlocks. That's all I want, and (edited, now that i think about it) even automatic unlocking is optional - that actually may be better to leave that operation done manually so the doors get unlocked when i want to unlock them. Or maybe some way to enable/disable the automatic unlocking (had a Corsica that did this many moons ago, automatic unlocking disabling accomplished by simply removing a fuse, that was a nice feature.)I've got some cheeseball degree in electronics although I don't remember much other than ohm's law, but i can read a schematic and maybe solder, dangit! I think I may be able to tackle this if I can figure out what I need to do, if it's even possible.Is it doable? Cheapo radio shack parts or equivalent only, please.

i have an 05 wiring diagram if jahntassa can't get to it ta'marra.and by the way, if you have joatman and jahntassa on your side, you have a good shot at success. i know this from experience and a little pinch of GMJAP in there...and voila... electrical solution.

That sounds good... I'm really certain that the guys here can make this stuff happen. The nifty little additions that have been developed here are just impressive to say the least. The '05 diagram would be much appreciated too, I would be interested to see if the '05 auto door locks would be easier to add than just taking matters into my own hands with a custom homemade setup...Any help anybody can provide would be great!

I was thinking the same thing with detecting going into and out of park.I have a 2005 with the programmable locks so it does not help me but as a thought to how it might be done....The programmable locks have a number of different settings so the first thing is to decide how you want them to operate then begin a design. If you go the lock/unlock with the tranny Park you are relying on there being a way to detect the current gear selection. Have to see a schematic to see if there is something there.If you only want to lock the doors but not unlock them you could cheat a little and tie into the reverse switch so it sends a pulse when the car either goes into or passes through reverse going into another gear.Of course this would tend to lock your doors going from Drive to Park as well though typically they would already be locked anyway.If you go for a setup where it locks/unlocks with the ignition then you have to also take into account that it would try to always keep the doors unlocked when the igntion is turned off. You would need a circuit with constant power that uses a switched power as a trigger for a single pulse to unlock and a different circuit to do the locking again.Personally, I do not like the lock/unlock with the ignition. You may get in the car and start it up while others are still coming out to the car and you have to manually unlock again. Also, if you are dropping off/picking up someone the doors are locked and you have to unlock them.I prefer triggering off Park.Good luck.Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic »I'm still kinda wanting this feature, but at this point could care less if I install the stock thingamajigs that make the locks work automagically like on the '05. I feel like tearing into this thing for the however much longer I'm going to own it, so it's on! The goal is to make the ol' vibe even further discombobulated than it already is. How about just simply finding the signal from the gear position switch (the car is an auto) and putting that into a circuit to interface with the door lock relays and stuff?Shifting from park locks the doors, shifting back to park unlocks. That's all I want, and (edited, now that i think about it) even automatic unlocking is optional - that actually may be better to leave that operation done manually so the doors get unlocked when i want to unlock them. Or maybe some way to enable/disable the automatic unlocking (had a Corsica that did this many moons ago, automatic unlocking disabling accomplished by simply removing a fuse, that was a nice feature.)I've got some cheeseball degree in electronics although I don't remember much other than ohm's law, but i can read a schematic and maybe solder, dangit! I think I may be able to tackle this if I can figure out what I need to do, if it's even possible.Is it doable? Cheapo radio shack parts or equivalent only, please.

Are there seperate lights next to the shifter? One for each gear? Or is it one light and then something that physically moves to tell you what gear you're in?Is there some sort of 'I'm in park' signal wire?If neither of those are true, it's pretty easy to get a little switch and mount it somewhere in the shifter column to 'close' when it's in park and open when not. Then it'd be pretty simple to put some relays together and have it fire the doorlocks.I don't have any data on it..but if someone can answer the first two questions, we can go from there.

I'm pretty sure that the light is just one light and a slider from what it looks like to me...the second one I don't know about...

Quote, originally posted by Jahntassa »Are there seperate lights next to the shifter? One for each gear? Or is it one light and then something that physically moves to tell you what gear you're in?Is there some sort of 'I'm in park' signal wire?If neither of those are true, it's pretty easy to get a little switch and mount it somewhere in the shifter column to 'close' when it's in park and open when not. Then it'd be pretty simple to put some relays together and have it fire the doorlocks.I don't have any data on it..but if someone can answer the first two questions, we can go from there.The indicator for the shifter is simply a piece of plastic with an orange sticker that moves with the shifter, so there is nothing electrical there, except for the bulb for night illumination of the indicator. But I'm quite certain there is a switch somewhere for the shifter - that's what keeps the engine from being started when the shifter is anywhere except park or neutral. At least on previous GM cars, there was always a "park/neutral safety switch" associated with the shifter.So as long as we can find the output from the shifter switch, that may work... But adding a switch sounds like a good idea too.

it appears that Park and Neutral do not have a signal, so you would have to have it lock in teh presence of teh Drive signal and unlock in teh absence of a drive position? thats something joat or jahn can figure out but...........Drive singal is a BU (blue?) wire coming out of pin 7 from the PRNDL area and going into C1 of the right instrument junction box where it eventually get sonnceted to ground after being distributed to the cruise module.power is supplied into PRNDL with a Red/white wire, pin 2.

That's interesting - just detects drive? If I had it automatically unlock, that would make the doors unlock if it were shifted to reverse, second or first... Hmmm.....So I say, let's try something with this, and not worry about the doors automatically unlocking, I'm perfectly capable of doing that task myself.

not nessecarily. if the car is in park or neutral, no power is going thru that line. so you could hook it up such thatno power flow = unlock and power flow=lock and that way it would lock in all things but P and N, if what i am looking at is right.i am gonna check and see if mine unlocks in neutral.

I believe we are seeking the PNP (park neutral position switch), which tells the car if the car is in park or neutral. That being said, the switch is on the physical transmission, and near inaccessible without getting under the car.

The switch may be outside the car, but the wire has to go inside somewhere. I know for a fact it interfaces with the cruise somehow (i.e. try setting the cruise and then move the shifter up to neutral, it disengages.) So we could get the signal from the junction block before it goes to the cruise module perhaps?

that is what i am talking about. it goes from the PRNDL to the right junction box. you can pick it up there. its easier to visualize witht eh drawing.

Cool, now I just gotta find where exactly the junction block is...Is that the mess of wires under the kick panel, or is this elsewhere? (haven't really messed around with anything except the fuse block thus far, so please forgive my ignorance. lol!)

right juntion box i think is to the right of the glovebox. wheres GMJAP when you need him?

I dunno! Nobody wants to help the Colonel out.