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We have all had one "bad" experience crossing the border but compared to the rest of the world.....they are under alot of pressure since 9/11 besides they probably thought she did alot of shopping in Canada! Your dollar is stronger here...They should have paid for her damages though... ok lets go back on topic!May the troops all be safe and once again good job!

Stang2Vibe:What did she end up doing about her car?

thanks mike! i like that last one you posted on there. very cool! i just may need to order one!

living in alaska so close to canada, i'm sure i can find one here somewhere!

Someone want a Christmas gift maybe ?

I don't remember. It was her parents' car. I think they ended up just turning it in to insurance. But they had some money, so they may have just fixed it out of pocket. Still, this is bogus, especially since there was no cause for the search and it could have been done outside the garage.

That bites man..was just curious how "destruction at the hands of Canadian officials" gets handled: insurance, lawsuit, etc.

there was a case about a month or 2 ago about a guy coming back from Canada into Alaska. bringing supplies to build his house. he had a little dog in the truck with him and one of the search dogs, a german shepherd, got in the cab and was bitten. so, the officers got mad and searched his truck. tore it apart and all his lumber, kits and everything was ruined! was just complete BS and a powertrip for those peon workers! and get this: the dog had been bitten by a german shepherd just 2 months prior to the incident, had stitches because it almost died! good for the little dog protecting itself!

You all have a really hard time staying on topic! I reread this thead, and am actually compelled to make a comment, and hope that it doesn't start things up again, but I gotta say it This is world politics, it is intensely complex. We all have our own unique sources of information, some that may not be available to others, and it is also often very difficult to determine exactly what is "fact" or what is "true" There is no "right" way to think. These absolutes are very evasive. I have a hard time reading some of the posts in this thread when people present their opinions as fact, and do not acknowledge that they are opinions, or that it is valid for other people to hold opposing opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you, it does not mean that they are wrong, it means that you think they are wrong. That may be a subtle difference, but it is a very important difference, and acknowledging that difference is fundamentaly important to being able to respect others.

Quote, originally posted by joatmon »You all have a really hard time staying on topic! I reread this thead, and am actually compelled to make a comment, and hope that it doesn't start things up again, but I gotta say it This is world politics, it is intensely complex. We all have our own unique sources of information, some that may not be available to others, and it is also often very difficult to determine exactly what is "fact" or what is "true" There is no "right" way to think. These absolutes are very evasive. I have a hard time reading some of the posts in this thread when people present their opinions as fact, and do not acknowledge that they are opinions, or that it is valid for other people to hold opposing opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you, it does not mean that they are wrong, it means that you think they are wrong. That may be a subtle difference, but it is a very important difference, and acknowledging that difference is fundamentaly important to being able to respect others.joatman, as always, you have a way with words! what you said! and yes, we do get off topic alot.... but, then again we are in the off topic forum as it was pointed out to me earlier.

Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe »Why would you think that? I respect your opinion bro! Hey I live in Quebec where half want to leave Canada and half want to stay, you live to learn and appreciate other opinions!Yeah, but you guys have been arguing over the same stuff up there for over 300 years. You've gotten used to it. Down here in the States, we have crazy people with handguns.Quote, originally posted by ArcsVibe »And you sound like a great person to have a debate with man! Thanks, but I don't think I would carry on like this at a rally or meet. I wouldn't want to spoil things for the non-politically minded. Maybe if a few of us were sitting around in the summertime on some lawnchairs pounding a few brewskis, I would probably play along. But I wouldn't roll into a Vibe meet and be like "well, whatcha think about G.W. bombing the crap out of Lower Jabib last week". Don't worry, I'm not that lame.

Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe »Thanks, but I don't think I would carry on like this at a rally or meet. I wouldn't want to spoil things for the non-politically minded. Maybe if a few of us were sitting around in the summertime on some lawnchairs pounding a few brewskis, I would probably play along. But I wouldn't roll into a Vibe meet and be like "well, whatcha think about G.W. bombing the crap out of Lower Jabib last week". Don't worry, I'm not that lame.(removed)! Stang, you are too funny! you crack me up! I'd love to meet all you guys and kick back, talk aobut the world.... that'd be so much fun! in the right setting, of course!

Quote, originally posted by Geo »Heehee, I love learning stuff too. Just a little frusterated with younger brother who actually doesn't care at all about anything having to do with the current situation of the world... gyagh!!Ahh, yes, at that age, few kids are willing to tackle the headache of what's going wrong with the world. Try asking him questions that involve things that are relative to him or his interests and can be tied into current world events. He is probably not feeling that he is connected in any way to what is going on, but I can probably guarantee you that he has heard enough about things that he has formed at least something of an opinion on them. If you are able to get him talking, encourage him to look into these things a little more. And always present both sides of things and let him form his own opinion on them. He'll get turned off real fast if everthing is one-sided.Quote, originally posted by Geo »As for the stoned bit, I'll just make sure to bring some Nerf balls to Michigan and we'll have a go at it That won't be fair! If joatmon goes, you will both gang up on me. It would turn into a dodgeball version of Hannity and Colmes. (Ooh, ooh, I call it first, I get to be Hannity!) LOL. Hey, did you know that Al Gore invented Nerf balls? Just thought I'd throw that in there since there's been so much in the news about him lately. I always get a laugh out of watching him.

Quote, originally posted by trdvibe »(removed)! Stang, you are too funny! you crack me up! I'd love to meet all you guys and kick back, talk aobut the world.... that'd be so much fun! in the right setting, of course!Name the time and place and I'll do my best to be there. I promise to bring along my dry, witty humor. Too bad you live like 5 million miles away or you could come and visit with some of us. I'd bring the lawnchairs!

Nice try, joatmon, but the ambiguity in that one was pretty thinly disguised. I think anyone with at least one functioning eye and a working knowledge of the English language knows exactly who that was directed towards.And no, you won't start me back up, at least. I've said about all I have to say that is pertinant to the issues presented so far. I will just say that on the converse side of your statement, some people have a tendancy to dismiss truth and facts and attempt to downplay them in an effort to discredit them or spin them to suit their needs. This is done when the factual evidence is not supporting a conviction that they want to believe and won't give up on. They have to take information and "spin" it to make it fit. In the vast majority of instances, there IS a right and wrong and we owe it to ourselves to find the truth and make sure that it is represented properly. Throwing relativism into the mix never makes any truth come out. Instead of separating things into right and wrong, it just expands the gray area until no absolute conclusion to absolute problems can be reached. I think I've made my point and I'll happily leave it at that. We've moved on from politics to philosophy, and I can play either game, as the two are hopelessly intertwined.

Wow, this thread may have set a new GenVibe record! Gone into 5 pages in less than 24 hours! Impressive! Shows that people on here are thinking.

stang2vibe, continuing to be a member here is more important to me than my desire to say what I really feel in response to your posts The two are mutually exclusive at this point.

wow, i missed a lot this weekend! unfortunately, i don't really believe this will do much for the violence in iraq. obviously, he wasn't running squat, he was running and squating! at least he will most likely be brought to justice.

Just need to comment about my brother:he's 19 (year younger than I) and his reason for his thinking is because he's "Cruel and Heartless" ...So much fun for me trying to convince him when I know he's just intentionally being an (removed). Ah well ... *starts loading up on nerf balls*

Gee, joatmon, that seems like a bit of a personal attack to me. I think that you've gotten yourself a bit wound up without just cause. Last I checked, nobody here was personally attacking you. And actually, I've been the recipient of the rude and smug comments in this thread, but I'm certainly not going to whine about it (and I'm not saying that anyone else here is whining, either, so please don't go twisting my words again or extrapolating a false meaning from them). I also don't understand why you feel that you can't reply to ideas you disagree with in a mature and responsible way that won't get you banned. I could really lose my head and go off on people too, but that would reflect poorly on me and get me banned as well. Nothing real impressive about that, so I don't do it. It would also appear that the majority opinon is in your favor here. That doesn't discourage me any, though, because it makes no difference to me if I feel that 8 people are wrong or 80 million people. Truth, not concensus puts things in the right. If you felt that you knew the truth, held a dissenting opinion, and could present evidence to support your claim, nobody would have disrespected you for it. I think that most of us, myself included, would have appreciated the info. It should have been put out there and left to be examined. Please don't sit and boil over things, that is senseless and has no utility. Why you are so angered that someone disagrees with you escapes me. I'm not angered that people disagree with me, I fully expect it. I'm sure you do too. I'm a decent, God fearing, Christian, fiercely patriotic person. And darnit, I'm frequently told that I'm a pretty nice guy, too. I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. Geo and I still disagree on most things here and we don't hate each other. In fact, we may both load up on Nerf balls and pelt each other for fun at the Michigan meet. I see he's already to go. He's going to practice on his younger brother before he comes after me, I see.Perhaps I am a bit Socratic in that I posess the ability to drive people in the town nuts with my incessant questioning and search for truth as I walk up and down the GenVibe beach. I may be seen as rather strange by some, and that's ok with me. I also suppose that I am now going to be accused of corrupting the minds of others with my quest. Please excuse me, for I am off to drink my hemlock now.

Perhaps he feels that his level of knowledge can't compete with yours, so he won't even bother to reply and he just says bonehead stuff to irritate you a little.***gathers materials to build a body shield***

Screw Jerry Springer, I'll just sit and watch this thread on my lunch break!

Now this is what I call entertainment! ok fighters lets keep it clean, no low blows lol People I am just teasing, you should not be afraid to let your feelings be heard.

argumentation is a great thing, it promotes growth in a relationship. a relationship without arguing is incomplete and shallow, falling short of it's potential, and doomed.

Aaahhh, another philosopher, I see! That's a good one D-Vibe.

Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe »Aaahhh, another philosopher, I see! That's a good one D-Vibe.i don't think of myself so much as a philosopher, but rather as a deductive reasoner...

wow. you boys were busy today, weren't you?

It's looking like he will eventually be turned over to the newly-formed Iraqi Tribunal for trial. Whatever they choose to do with him will surely be worse than what we'd do to him. We'd probabaly put him up in a 4 star maximum security prison for the rest of his life. They're gonna make him suffer like he caused the Iraqis to suffer.

Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe »It's looking like he will eventually be turned over to the newly-formed Iraqi Tribunal for trial. Whatever they choose to do with him will surely be worse than what we'd do to him. We'd probabaly put him up in a 4 star maximum security prison for the rest of his life. They're gonna make him suffer like he caused the Iraqis to suffer.exactly. glad they iraqi people will get justice. atleast he will suffer like he should and not like if he were tried by the US. he'd probably get johnny cochran and get off!

This fruitcake should spend Xmas in BaghdadWash. Congressman Questions Saddam TimingAPBy MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press WriterWASHINGTON - The Washington congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S. military could have found Saddam "a long time ago if they wanted." Asked if he thought the weekend capture was timed to help Bush, McDermott chuckled and said: "Yeah. Oh, yeah."The Democratic congressman went on to say, "There's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing."When interviewer Dave Ross asked again if he meant to imply the Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons, McDermott said: "I don't know that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was. It was just a matter of time till they'd find him."It's funny," McDermott added, "when they're having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something."State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in "crazy talk" about the Iraq war."Once again McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible ranting," GOP state Chairman Chris Vance said in a news release. "Calling on him to apologize is useless, but I call on other Democrats to let the public know if they agree with McDermott — and Howard Dean, who recently said he thought it was possible that President Bush had advance knowledge about 9/11. The voters deserve to know if the entire Democratic Party believes in these sorts of bitter, paranoid conspiracy theories."Last year, Vance and other Republicans labeled McDermott "Baghdad Jim" for comments he made during a trip to Baghdad that President Bush "would mislead the American people" but that Saddam could be trusted.On Monday, Democrats joined the criticism of McDermott."With all due respect to my colleague, that is a fantasy," Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., said of McDermott's comments. "That just is not right. ... It's one thing to criticize this administration for having done this war. I mean, that's a fair question. But to criticize them on the capture of Saddam, when it's such a big thing to our troops, is just ridiculous."McDermott, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, called the timing of Saddam's capture suspicious but said he was not alleging it had been intentionally delayed."Everything was going wrong, and they got a real Christmas gift, if you will, in that the troops did a magnificent job and found" Saddam, he said.

LOL! What a joke! I remember Baghdad Jim. Let's hope he doesn't get re-elected next time. "Everything was going wrong"? LOL! The Prescription Drug Act was passed, the economy grew wings and took off, what was "going wrong"? Iraq? We knew ahead of time that something like this was likely to happen. Not many people expected this to be a perfect war. But to say that Bush bagged Saddam on queue is hysterical! I guess we dug the hole to hide him in and wrote on the covering "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL BUSH IS IN POLITICAL TROUBLE", huh Baghdad Jim? Is that what you're saying, you (removed)? C'mon Jim, tell us, how much is Howard Dean paying you?

*puts on his tin foil hat*Well, it is somewhat suspicious that just a week ago, a court was formed to try Saddam should be be captured ... and the fact that this comes right at the start of the Halliburton ordeal and now no one is talking about that anymore, then there was something that came up after Enron, like a martian coming to kidnap the President of Libya.Oh yea, we didn't land on the moon either.*removes Tin foil hat*

and turned into an action figure.http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...s_toy

(removed)! now that's marketing!!!

Quote, originally posted by Geo »then there was something that came up after Enron, like a martian coming to kidnap the President of Libya.Martians came and kindnapped Muammar Ghaddafi? Oh, thank God! It's a shame they didn't come about 20 years ago or we wouldn't have had to bomb Beirut. Too bad they won't keep him. After a year or two on whatever planet he was taken to, he will surely try to take over that planet and brutally terrorize its' inhabitants as well. They'll definately be sending that nutcase back here.Something that came after Enron? Hmmm...let's see.....like the Tyco scandal or the Martha Stewart ordeal? Those came right after Enron. So did the Worldcom scandal. Wait, let me guess--Bush was the one who called up Martha and told her to sell, right? And he lent Air Force One to the CEO of Tyco to aid in his lavish overseas adventures? Please stop believing the martians. And Halliburton is Cheney's headace, has nothing to do with Bush. The outcome of that will be decided in court, as lawsuits have already been filed. At least I don't see Cheney on my tv wagging his finger at me while denying the charges.

Yeah, I don't know if this was mentioned earlier in the post because I don't have enough time to read all 6 pages, but, you've probably heard that now, since we've got Suddam, France and Germany want to take part in the reform of Iraq...I think they should go screw themselves. We paid for this war and our troops suffered such hardship over there, the French and Germans definately don't deserve to get a piece of it.This reminds me of a story I was read as a little kid. i don't remember what it was called but it was about how one kid did all the work while the others sat there and did nothing. The kids that did nothing, expected the hard working one to give them what he had received as a reward, but he refused since they didn't work and they all were upset and depressed.

France: We are sissies and will not help you with the war.Germany: We are too busy making sausage and expensive automobiles to helpUSA: Oh yeah, well eat poop France, we are going to change the name of french friesFrance: Oh, well, since Saddam is caught now, we want a piece of the sand pieGermany: We now have enough sausages and cars, we need oil

Hey! Don't blame me, blame the tinfoil hat!*puts his hat on*Bill Gates is a robot and is using Windows to build a database from us all so that he knows who to kill, and who to keep for the re-seeding project of the human race! Reports show that Mac users will be fine though, because we don't have security holes that one can drive a tank through*takes off tinfoil hat*

Funny you posted the Snickers funny. When they were showing the small "living quarters" next to the hole Saddam was found in, they were showing some of his supplies. In the food rations, I saw a couple of Mars chocolate candy bars. That made me laugh, can you just see Saddam asking some crazed supporter to get him some Mars bars? > "Abdul, while you are out, could you pick me up a few more of those Mars candy bars, please? I LIKE those!"" LOL.

lol silly camel jockeys

Geo, can I have a look at that tinfoil hat? I think Al Gore may be hiding in there. Some of these ridiculous claims sound suspiciously familiar...

Quote, originally posted by Stang2Vibe »Geo, can I have a look at that tinfoil hat? I think Al Gore may be hiding in there. Some of these ridiculous claims sound suspiciously familiar... What's great about the tinfoil hat, is that anyone can make one! It also absolves you of any credibility you might have had, but at the price that your words cannot be used against you either! :DGo on ... make one yourself, join us!I BELIEVE!!!

Oh, I see! This is what Bill Clinton did! He wasn't actually lying under oath, it's just that Ken Starr forgot to put in his report that Clinton was wearing the tinfoil hat! Now it all makes perfect sense....LOL!

i printed that pic of sadam and the snickers bar for my colleagues at work. we got a great laugh!