I would venture to guess you should replace the passenger front wheel bearing too-- I would have done that before even touching the rear bearing. Axles also would not be on the top of the list, as those usually make a pretty distinct clickity-clackity noise when they start dying.When turning to the right while moving the sound gets louder, and when turning to the left while moving the sound gets quieter. Based on this I replaced the front driver's side wheel bearing. This did not affect the sound.
Thanks for the reply zbyers! I actually had used that exact video to decide to replace the front driver side bearing. From the video:zbyers wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:43 amI would venture to guess you should replace the passenger front wheel bearing too-- I would have done that before even touching the rear bearing. Axles also would not be on the top of the list, as those usually make a pretty distinct clickity-clackity noise when they start dying.When turning to the right while moving the sound gets louder, and when turning to the left while moving the sound gets quieter. Based on this I replaced the front driver's side wheel bearing. This did not affect the sound.
This is a pretty reasonable video that helps determine which wheel bearing could be the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLmnFy12mKI
Thanks for the taking the time to respond andrewclaus!andrewclaus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:39 am Did you try rotating tires front to back?
Is your suspension and alignment in good shape? Motor mounts?
Thanks tpollauf!tpollauf wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:59 am Welcome to GenVibe. Seeing how the martixowners site no longer exists hopefully we'll be your next best resource for Vibe/Matrix advise. I had a similar experience six months ago BUT mine was more definitive to the drivetrain. Not certain which side was the culprit, for the price of a second CV axle I decided to have BOTH replaced. It paid off and was back to smooth driving. Maybe you need to replace the other side now? Let us know how this saga pans out
I've never experienced it but I've heard of tread separation. My thinking is if the noise is steering-dependent, get both front tires to the back and see if the noise changes. It may be the easiest and cheapest thing left to try.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:11 am...I didn't rotate the tires front to back. The purpose of rotating left to right was to try to localize the tires/wheels or eliminate them as the cause. Since turning to the right before the rotation caused the sound to get louder and turning to the right after the rotation also caused the sound to get louder (and since I rotated left-to-right tires/wheels of *both* axles) I've eliminated the tires/wheels in my mind as the culprit. Is my thinking on this flawed?
Well, you certainly are at the point of throwing cash at diminishing resources. If mine so much as burps again, it is history. All depends on your financial situation. Now that I'm out of the hills of San Diego, my Vibe is running the best it ever has. At 140,000, I have a long way to go before the Corolla engine should give me pause for concern. However, my first goal is to get any car to 10 years. Then it is gravy on top of that. To me, you've been living on gravy for a long time. Fortunately for you, Toyota "quality" isn't the only game in town anymore. There are lots of great Asian choices out there, especially in the used car market. After 10 years, you have to come up with some kind of car formula for your family's financial situation. For me, if I was going to live to a ripe old age of 5,000, I'd do whatever it took to keep any car I spent many hours researching. But in this short life, I can't see throwing money into something that is fighting (and losing) the test of time.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:40 am Story time: A couple years ago I had a valve cover gasket failure. Except I didn't know it until it fouled out an ignition module. The gasket failed at one of the spark plug wells and I suppose since it had never leaked or burned oil before I got out of the habit of checking the oil between changes. I guess it had run itself low enough (but not low enough for the oil light on the dash to illuminate) that a week after fixing the gasket (and topping off the oil) I had another engine code that was caused from the timing chain stretching. While replacing the timing chain I replaced a few things that probably would've failed soon, as you can imagine.
I've got mixed emotions about the car.
andrewclause, thanks again for your attention and efforts. The motor mount comment got me thinking. I googled and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqv8x4ywu0I which noted that a transmission mount could cause rattling at idle. Although that rattling is not what this thread or concern is about, I've had such a rattle for probably two years now. lolandrewclaus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:38 amI've never experienced it but I've heard of tread separation. My thinking is if the noise is steering-dependent, get both front tires to the back and see if the noise changes. It may be the easiest and cheapest thing left to try.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:11 am...I didn't rotate the tires front to back. The purpose of rotating left to right was to try to localize the tires/wheels or eliminate them as the cause. Since turning to the right before the rotation caused the sound to get louder and turning to the right after the rotation also caused the sound to get louder (and since I rotated left-to-right tires/wheels of *both* axles) I've eliminated the tires/wheels in my mind as the culprit. Is my thinking on this flawed?
Suspension issues and motor mounts are long shots. The previous post to mine covered my top choices. I'm just thinking of things that could move in a turn that shouldn't. You can probably assume you don't have any damping left in your struts, which can change dynamics while turning.
Is the fuzzy dice comment a nod to Click and Clack?
Caretaker, dang it, you're right!Caretaker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:19 pmWell, you certainly are at the point of throwing cash at diminishing resources. If mine so much as burps again, it is history. All depends on your financial situation. Now that I'm out of the hills of San Diego, my Vibe is running the best it ever has. At 140,000, I have a long way to go before the Corolla engine should give me pause for concern. However, my first goal is to get any car to 10 years. Then it is gravy on top of that. To me, you've been living on gravy for a long time. Fortunately for you, Toyota "quality" isn't the only game in town anymore. There are lots of great Asian choices out there, especially in the used car market. After 10 years, you have to come up with some kind of car formula for your family's financial situation. For me, if I was going to live to a ripe old age of 5,000, I'd do whatever it took to keep any car I spent many hours researching. But in this short life, I can't see throwing money into something that is fighting (and losing) the test of time.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:40 am Story time: A couple years ago I had a valve cover gasket failure. Except I didn't know it until it fouled out an ignition module. The gasket failed at one of the spark plug wells and I suppose since it had never leaked or burned oil before I got out of the habit of checking the oil between changes. I guess it had run itself low enough (but not low enough for the oil light on the dash to illuminate) that a week after fixing the gasket (and topping off the oil) I had another engine code that was caused from the timing chain stretching. While replacing the timing chain I replaced a few things that probably would've failed soon, as you can imagine.
I've got mixed emotions about the car.
He IS pretty good at living up to his screen name. He's been taking care of us since the beginning of [Vibe] times.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:00 pmCaretaker, dang it, you're right!Caretaker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:19 pmWell, you certainly are at the point of throwing cash at diminishing resources. If mine so much as burps again, it is history. All depends on your financial situation. Now that I'm out of the hills of San Diego, my Vibe is running the best it ever has. At 140,000, I have a long way to go before the Corolla engine should give me pause for concern. However, my first goal is to get any car to 10 years. Then it is gravy on top of that. To me, you've been living on gravy for a long time. Fortunately for you, Toyota "quality" isn't the only game in town anymore. There are lots of great Asian choices out there, especially in the used car market. After 10 years, you have to come up with some kind of car formula for your family's financial situation. For me, if I was going to live to a ripe old age of 5,000, I'd do whatever it took to keep any car I spent many hours researching. But in this short life, I can't see throwing money into something that is fighting (and losing) the test of time.nato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:40 am Story time: A couple years ago I had a valve cover gasket failure. Except I didn't know it until it fouled out an ignition module. The gasket failed at one of the spark plug wells and I suppose since it had never leaked or burned oil before I got out of the habit of checking the oil between changes. I guess it had run itself low enough (but not low enough for the oil light on the dash to illuminate) that a week after fixing the gasket (and topping off the oil) I had another engine code that was caused from the timing chain stretching. While replacing the timing chain I replaced a few things that probably would've failed soon, as you can imagine.
I've got mixed emotions about the car.
SSizler,
zbyers, tpollauf, and SSizler,zbyers wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:21 am The noise will get louder on the outside bearing that gets loaded, as more weight is on that corner. So if you are turning left, and the noise gets louder, it is the passenger side bearing that is bad since more weight is loaded on that corner.
That said, if you have already done one front bearing, you might as well go ahead and do the other. They both get the exact same amount of usage. And you're chasing a noise that has been described exactly like a bad wheel bearing. Would be logically to definitely eliminate that as the other option than to continue to wonder what the noise is. *shrugs*
The answer is most definitely "yes", as that was the case here. Turning to the right shifts the weight away from the passenger side, reducing the weight on the passenger front wheel, yet this reduced weight resulted in a louder sound. This is contrary to what everyone on teh interwebs sez. I guess that's what I get for listening to those people. lol