Or just admit that it's a station wagon, and not try to make a race car out of ittreesleavedents wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:50 am ddpr in texas is knowledgable about the 2zz engines as well.
In terms of adding power, some guys in puerto rico have been doing NA builds on stock internals in the low 200 hp range at the wheels. PPE makes good intakes and exhausts. I have their stainless long tube header with a spiked collector and their stainless midpipe with a high flow cat and resonator. It's never been installed and I might be persuaded to part with it...
For heads I wouldn't mess with compression too much unless you want to get into high power high cost stuff, changing rods and pistons and all that. Unfortunately at that point you're probably gonna need piston $leeve$
maybe focus on an aftermarket cams, valves, valve springs, valve spring retainers, and a standalone engine management system.
it's called being realistic.treesleavedents wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:30 am The CTS-V wagon would like to have a chat with you.
Body style doesn't determine what the engine is capable of. The 2zz can be made more powerful if you have the money. And if OP wants to spend it on a vibe then we should help them instead of being negative for no good reason.
Being realistic is obviously what I am asking for, not the "these are econoboxes and aren't worth doing anything to them">Bookworm wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 6:55 pm There's also a big difference between negativity and being realistic.
There are a LOT of modifications that can be done to these cars, station wagon or not. Unfortunately, these are NOT the engines of the 1940's, which could be modified like crazy. (V8-60 as a big example) These engines have been extremely carefully designed around all of the parts on them to get the maximum of power out of a minimum of space and fuel.
Thus, they created the 2.4L engine when they needed more power for a 'sport' version, rather than just upgrading the 1.8L engine. That's because the 1.8L couldn't be upgraded.
So most of the modifications are to the intakes, exhausts, and add-on components, not the engine itself. More for smoothing out the highest RPM and the lowest, and getting the most out of the gearing (going for a 6 speed transmission over a 5, for example).
Where did I say that? I said that they're station wagons, and aimed as such. Econoboxes can be some of the best little racers around - look at what people used to do with the Ford Festiva. You can't find them, not because they all died, but because they were being bought and driven into the dirt by racers.KingKrab65 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:26 amBeing realistic is obviously what I am asking for, not the "these are econoboxes and aren't worth doing anything to them">Bookworm wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 6:55 pm There's also a big difference between negativity and being realistic.
There are a LOT of modifications that can be done to these cars, station wagon or not. Unfortunately, these are NOT the engines of the 1940's, which could be modified like crazy. (V8-60 as a big example) These engines have been extremely carefully designed around all of the parts on them to get the maximum of power out of a minimum of space and fuel.
Thus, they created the 2.4L engine when they needed more power for a 'sport' version, rather than just upgrading the 1.8L engine. That's because the 1.8L couldn't be upgraded.
So most of the modifications are to the intakes, exhausts, and add-on components, not the engine itself. More for smoothing out the highest RPM and the lowest, and getting the most out of the gearing (going for a 6 speed transmission over a 5, for example).
And to this simple key Turner just because your afraid to get a little dirty and wanna take the easy rout by LS swapping the world doesn't mean I gota follow your dumbass...I've ported so many small engine heads(including my personal lawn mowers) not because I needed to but because I wanted to... going big or going home is for quitters that cant build a motor...always remember power to weight beats displacement everytimejolt wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:29 am KingKrab65 wrote "who's first answer is always "get a bigger motor"". The case in point here is the 2009 and 2010 Vibe. What did Pontiac do different from the first gen Vibe? For the performance GT model, they put in a bigger engine going from the 1.8 to the 2.4L. Along with this engine change was the drive train change that can handle the increase in torque from the larger engine. The hubs, brakes, bearings, etc.. even the wheel bolt pattern is larger. You do this to create a drive able, street able car.
The first gen Vibes used two different 1.8L engines in the base and the GT models. Why would Pontiac drop the 1.8L in the GT and go with the 2.4L for performance? At some point you hit a wall of diminishing returns where you gain little while spending a lot more money. If your main goal is to increase power at the wheels, the cheapest thing to do is change the gear ratio in the rear end to a deeper ratio. Of course there go any gas mileage down the drain. Spend the money on keeping all the parts of the engine in top shape and condition, that is where you will get the most performance for your money. All the parts of the motor have to work together. As an example, if you put a header on a engine that has a bad throttle body your going to gain nothing. A turbo or super charger would make the most sense today but you still need to feed it fuel for more power. If you can not modify the electronic controls for the fuel delivery, you are stuck.
We are not here to recreate the wheel. If history has taught us anything, look back at the 1960's and drag racing. All the manufactures jumped at stuffing the biggest motor they made into the smallest cars they had. Power to weight ratio, as Bookworm referred to, is the key to performance. Physics and the laws of nature can not be denied, not even with a car or motor. Trying to help a person save their money and time is what this is about. If the person has a ton of money and whats to play around; I am all for that on a race track. It is just that a lot of people have been down this road before, myself included, and i do not want to see someone wasting money and not get the results they thought they would.
More towards OP, but Toyota Nation is only busier because it's a forum for all Toyota's...So a Tacoma owner may cross over into the Corolla section if he's bored.Bookworm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:04 pmAs for the Matrix forum being busier? They made the cars for four additional years, so there are more "new car" owners that still have the vehicles. Look at where the Vibe forum was four years ago. Also, Toyota had the name cachet, and Pontiac didn't. (more fools them. I paid $2k less for my Vibe with less mileage on it than the identical Matrix at the Enterprise car sales lot.)
You're right. I misread the forum name.zbyers wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:48 amMore towards OP, but Toyota Nation is only busier because it's a forum for all Toyota's...So a Tacoma owner may cross over into the Corolla section if he's bored.Bookworm wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:04 pmAs for the Matrix forum being busier? They made the cars for four additional years, so there are more "new car" owners that still have the vehicles. Look at where the Vibe forum was four years ago. Also, Toyota had the name cachet, and Pontiac didn't. (more fools them. I paid $2k less for my Vibe with less mileage on it than the identical Matrix at the Enterprise car sales lot.)
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