2zz turbo kit on Vibe GT !

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:11 pm

I looks like the color of this Vibe GT is "Envy"....what a tease! This Vibe is going to SEMA at the GM booth, and is designed by Stafford Fabrication ..These are the guys who did my car here is the link http://www.staffordfabrication...nu=16

millster · Post by **millster** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:13 pm

Wow! That's a lot of tubing!

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:22 pm

Yeah, it is ..I need to go over there and try to sneak in a ride and , I wonder what colors they are going to powdercoat those pipes ?

millster · Post by **millster** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:38 pm

Would probably look good color-keyed to the car.Would be unique anyway.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:22 pm

Quote, originally posted by Faultline Â»http://www.staffordfabrication...nu=16 the pics don't show up for me

wicked1981 · Post by **wicked1981** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:52 am

Quote, originally posted by joatmon Â»the pics don't show up for me here is the whole article with pics..Stafford Fabrication SEMA CarsThese cars are the compilation of the skills of each Stafford Fabrication Team memberEach car shows the quality of the people working for this company. Each year, one person is designated to one car, and must build the best turbo system possible. Last year there were 2 cars. This year there are 2 additional cars.This Year, we have 2 cars. The first of which is a 2003 Toyota MR2 Spyder. Mike Stafford again designed the system for this car. This turbo system has been dyno tested up to 291 whp on 15 psi.Our second car of this year is Richard's 2005 Pontiac Vibe GT. Mike Baldini is the designer of this project, and it is coming along awesome. This may be the best looking system yet. Look for this car in the General Motors booth at the SEMA Show.Last year we developed the turbo system for the Celica GTS Drive by wire. This car made it into the SEMA Show.Richard's turbo system was developed by Mike Stafford himself.Richard, where are your pictures?Our Next SEMA project was a last minute fabrication for a good friend of ours, and took every team member to complete. Clint's early 90's Toyota Previa was definately different from any other van you have ever seen.

joatmon · Post by **joatmon** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:14 am

so what are the numbers - any dyno results yet?

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:55 am

I'm at a loss of words. When I see a Vibe with turbo or supercharger I get inspired and excited lol. i wont ever be able to live the dream but it's nice to fantisize.

03VibeGT6Spd · Post by **03VibeGT6Spd** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:34 pm

Did anyone see what was done to the enternals, and if they lowered the compression ratio down from the stock 11.5:1?I would buy this kit, if the install wasn't way to bad.

sfturbo · Post by **sfturbo** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:30 pm

sorry berry you'll have to wait till after sema i've all ready givin it back .not to worry it comes back after the show for replication i'll hit you up for a cruise on faultline road.

Stang2Vibe · Post by **Stang2Vibe** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:55 pm

Whoa! That is awesome!!!! Wonder what the damage to the pocketbook is and what the new dyno numbers are?It's way cool anyway!

ShotInTheDark · Post by **ShotInTheDark** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:09 am

cost? Drool?

Merzbow · Post by **Merzbow** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:53 am

$34870257023.98

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:56 pm

Quote, originally posted by sfturbo Â»sorry barry you'll have to wait till after sema i've all ready givin it back .not to worry it comes back after the show for replication i'll hit you up for a cruise on faultline road.Yes, that is the road that took me to your shop that would be great!...exept, did I tell you that I got another ticket from mr. CHP?... but what is worse is that ..uh well ..I wasnt even in the Vibe...I was in my work truck but, I would love to make the comparison between the SF turbo Vibe, and the SF turbo Vibe GT!

Nervous_Dog · Post by **Nervous_Dog** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:29 pm

Stafford's website seems to have disappeared, but earlier this week the price was $3800.

kortik · Post by **kortik** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:03 am

Ok I have matrix XRS 05 when will I be able to put turbo on it.Hope SF coming out for everybody eventhough 2zz is a suicide its still possible just like you did.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:55 pm

Quote, originally posted by kortik Â»Ok I have matrix XRS 05 when will I be able to put turbo on it.Hope SF coming out for everybody eventhough 2zz is a suicide its still possible just like you did.I finally got to ride in this green beast. l!!!!!I went by the SF facility yesterday after going by the courthouse on the matter of a ticket It was my day off. When I pulled into the yard, the Vibe gt was there! The one in the pictures above, and is also the last car i believe shown in the sema pictures. When I saw Mr Stafford, he was putting a M90 eaton-twin screw blower on a Ford escort!(The Vibe kit is an M45). The motor is a 2.0, but since the intake side is facing the firewall, The blower some how fit! It featured an air to water intercooler that SF designed themselves , nicely fitted between the blower and the intake manifold. . Next to that car was a 1zz turboed celica , that had been bored from 1.8 to 2.0, and was fitted with forged rods , and pistons at a lower compression ratio...something I was envious of. Anyway, an errand had to be made, and somehow I was invited along.... shot gun in a turboed Vibe GT!!!!!.The shop is in the desert, so whenever you drive around, its like being in all those car comercials you see where the car is in a blurr whisping by all the cacti , dust, and rocks. Except when your in the car , the landscape is a blur!The car was a rocket!The 2zz is much different than what I am used to . The gears are shorter in the 6 speed , but the motor revs past 8k...I thought we'd never shift!...Also the power delivery is much smoother. My car is much more torqy with the turbo, as it throws you back into your seat. The Turbo Vibe gt seems to soar into flight , where the turbo Vibe more like whips into orbit!..each one has their own feel. "Lift" in the gt was much less distinct, as boost is already there. I wanted to drive, but felt out of place. I was lucky enough to get a ride., not to mention i was feeling quite sobered by having just paid for a traffic violation ...Under the hood, the kit looks awsome. All those pipes you see were now blue, but as you can tell, they fill the whole engine bay!...shows much nicer than the celica kits.I dont know when the kit is coming out, but for those who get it, it seriously takes the Vibe to a whole new level ...not for the faint hearted

vibe_commander · Post by **vibe_commander** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:03 am

Here are 3 pics off the J Body Org SEMA photo gallery of the Stafford Fabrication "Green Beast" which Faultline got to shotgun through the desert!

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vibe_commander · Post by **vibe_commander** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:07 am

....having trouble posting all three photos at once...so here's the second....

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vibe_commander · Post by **vibe_commander** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:08 am

....and the third.

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drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:55 am

so, did we ever get numbers on this baby?

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:02 pm

Quote, originally posted by vibe_commander Â»....and the third.Nice pictures Vibe commander! Thanks for posting them!...Drunken Vibe, their are no dynos yet on the Vibe GT, ,but there are some on the 2zz celica. It seems like it was around 13hp per # of boost. on my car it was more like 10hp per # of boost. 8psi x 13 = 104hp., or 7hp x 13= 91hp., or 5psi x 13 = 65 hp.These are only estimates , it doest exactly correspond this way...It is hella lot of powr! It such a thrill to go into boost, it is ear to ear permanent grin....!!!!Do you know what it is like to lose to a 350z at the track because, all though you were realling him in, you did not quite make it to the finish line in time. ...yeah , its like that!! ..

syclnjr · Post by **syclnjr** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:37 am

my question is the tranny holding up more like the clutch I should say. I know that if you are not babying the damn thing it will smoke down? Now I am certain that they had to lower the compression ratio, how did they do it? Head spacer? Just curious. Thanks

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:12 pm

No, the compression is slill stockon the motor 11.5:1.On the celica kits they run alcy/water in jection after 7psi. When I rode in the car , it was about 5-6 psi. The fuel is at a fairly rich mixture, and the intake temps are kept as cool as possible. Although the high compression is not ideal to turbo, it still can be done safely.If it rattles you a little more, the timing is not retarded either. It is making good power . I know that a guy has the sf kit on his celica GT-S using a Power FC for engine management. He does not us water injection, but has retarded the timing under boost. Everything is stock internals, and he is running 11psi withouth incident.Remember that torque kills clutches and trannies, not HP. The turboed 2zz with the 6 speed has less to worry about than my turboed 1zz with the 5 speed, because I am producing more torque, so in this sense, the xrs/gt is more ideal to boost.

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:13 am

so, a turboed 2zz makes less torque than a turboed 1zz? how can this be?

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:30 pm

Quote, originally posted by drunkenvibe Â»so, a turboed 2zz makes less torque than a turboed 1zz? how can this be?the torque on the 2 motors N/A are similar...you have the 1zz making peak torque at 4200 rpms 125ftlbs of torque . The 2zz is slightly higher at 133ftlbs of torque BUT this is at a high 6800 Rpms. AT the higher rpm whille in gear, you can imagine less stress on the drive line as their is more give as wheels are spinning faster. I flipped over the the celica threads to look at #'s for turboed 1zz and 2zz motors. It gets variant depending how it is tuned. Richer fuel mixtureres tend to lower hp, but raise torque output to a certain degree. At the dyno shoot out last year , a 1 zz SF turboed celica boosted between 12psi and 13 psi creating 251hp (to the wheels) and 225ftlbs of torque. a celica gtsat the same dyno ,2ZZ, made 250whp and 183ftlbs of torque. at 7psi. AT 11 psi 2zz on stock internalls we have 276whp and 204ftlbs of torque. anyway, you get the idea. When turboed, the 1zz torque shoots higher, and at a lower rmp, than the 2zz....

drunkenmaxx · Post by **drunkenmaxx** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:57 pm

that is very interesting! so, in theory, you could smoke a turboed 2zz!!ooh, the base vs gt wars go on!!

Smokin' Rubber · Post by **Smokin' Rubber** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:42 am

I wouldn't say smoke neccessarily, but off the line the base would be faster (altho that depends). If the wheels on the base spun out more at the line the GT might actually get a better start since there would be less loss of traction

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:03 pm

Quote, originally posted by SmokinÃ¢Â€Â™ Rubber Â»I wouldn't say smoke neccessarily, but off the line the base would be faster (altho that depends). If the wheels on the base spun out more at the line the GT might actually get a better start since there would be less loss of tractionThis is correct, and right now I have a real hard time on launches...I can launch while boosting, but its too much. I launch down low in rpms, then it starts slow, then quickly swings into too much and I am still spinning tires.. ...All that I can say is that I need to be at 13 psi , to match the hp of a gt at 7psi, but I will have more torque...Having ridden in both cars boosted, I can honestly say that because of the torque, my car seems more fun, as I get more of the throw you back in your see feeling. It just might be an illusion to actuall speed though..The 2zz is an awsome motor, and coupled with the 6 speed, it just might have the advantage. Its biggest problem for boosting is the high compression, which allows me to cram more air into my motor without as much worry. I usually drive around at 9 psi right now, and if I raced a GT at 7 psi, he would flash his "you just got beat by a wagon " sign at me!!

Lucky317 · Post by **Lucky317** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:39 pm

I had a chance to see your car at stafford shop when it wasnt even done yet lol. the celica you're refering to is owned by a teamate of mine. he had the SF kit with a few changes. he had 525 cc injectors and the power fc. he had a faulty boost controller so we were creeping from 6psi to 11psi and back down. thats when he made the 276whp and 204 wtq.our GT without the power fc put down 208 whp and 195 wtq at 6psi.

Faultline · Post by **Faultline** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:35 pm

Quote, originally posted by Lucky317 Â»I had a chance to see your car at stafford shop when it wasnt even done yet lol. the celica you're refering to is owned by a teamate of mine. he had the SF kit with a few changes. he had 525 cc injectors and the power fc. he had a faulty boost controller so we were creeping from 6psi to 11psi and back down. thats when he made the 276whp and 204 wtq.our GT without the power fc put down 208 whp and 195 wtq at 6psi. For those who dont know, the "GT" is the 1zz version of the celica. This is a SF turboed GT??? it looks like it because the torque numbers are so high. The SF system provides a lot of air using a good size turbo, and plenty of fuel...it's all out , without any timing retard...My dyno sheet at 7.5 psi shows 210whp and 203wtq out her at 3k elevation....Any way, I understand that your team mate is building a so called 3zz????? Do you know if its done? ...I foget how it is done, It has the bottom end of a 1zz and the 2zz head..?.or something like that??? It is suppose to make gobbs of power.

Lucky317 · Post by **Lucky317** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:42 pm

actually it was rumored about that. he's building a VERY nice 2zz lol it's waiting on the stroker kit now. it's right now got the 8.8:1 compression, new valves/springs, etc.....I gotta remember to say 1zz instead of gt on here lol if you check out http://www.controlledinertia.com the celica GT has a pic on the front page.

Lucky317 · Post by **Lucky317** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:44 pm

oh and I forgot to answer your question lol 3ZZ is a coined term by the company Trial. It's basically a hybrid and stroked version of the 1zz and 2zz. it's primarily aimed at N/A people cause they advertise it with 13:1 compression. it's listed on trial's website.

Emerica13 · Post by **Emerica13** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:01 am

Vibe_commander, where did you find a turbo for your vibe? I've been looking all over the internet and can't seem to find any thanks!

Psychobroker · Post by **Psychobroker** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:39 am

Quote, originally posted by Emerica13 Â»Vibe_commander, where did you find a turbo for your vibe? I've been looking all over the internet and can't seem to find any thanks!Just read this entire thread...

Emerica13 · Post by **Emerica13** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:00 am

Well all i can find on the stafford site is forums and stuff, i cant find where to go to get info on their turbo stuff...any help?

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