Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

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Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby Chiadog » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:39 pm

Kia's new Niro Hybrid appears to be a near perfect VIBE Clone!
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby Chiadog » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:22 pm

Kia Nero has some pretty impressive technical specifications. Significantly, it does not have a 12 Volt car battery! I've always wondered why a hybrid needed an "extra" battery.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/02/20160212-kia.html

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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby BenWA » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:50 am

Chiadog wrote:Kia Nero has some pretty impressive technical specifications. Significantly, it does not have a 12 Volt car battery! I've always wondered why a hybrid needed an "extra" battery.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/02/20160212-kia.html


The "extra" battery is a good idea in a hybrid IMO, with it comes to the likes of the Prius. (Something baout how the hybrid system is different from the likes of Ford's I recall reading)

If you are far from home and your hybrid bank goes to crap from a bad cell or two without warning, you can still start and drive it as a regular gas car with a starting battery and the gas engine.
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby Chiadog » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:32 pm

BenWA wrote:
Chiadog wrote:Kia Nero has some pretty impressive technical specifications. Significantly, it does not have a 12 Volt car battery! I've always wondered why a hybrid needed an "extra" battery.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/02/20160212-kia.html


If you are far from home and your hybrid bank goes to crap from a bad cell or two without warning, you can still start and drive it as a regular gas car with a starting battery and the gas engine.

Anything is possible, but if I'm not mistaken that "Safety" battery let a lot of ford hybrid drivers down!

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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby BenWA » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Chiadog wrote:
BenWA wrote:
Chiadog wrote:Kia Nero has some pretty impressive technical specifications. Significantly, it does not have a 12 Volt car battery! I've always wondered why a hybrid needed an "extra" battery.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/02/20160212-kia.html


If you are far from home and your hybrid bank goes to crap from a bad cell or two without warning, you can still start and drive it as a regular gas car with a starting battery and the gas engine.

Anything is possible, but if I'm not mistaken that "Safety" battery let a lot of ford hybrid drivers down!


That's what I meant. The Toyota system gives you a more of a fail safe backup way to drive if the hybrid system fails in one way or another. Ford's doesn't. And maybe Chevy's too? It's been a while since I read about it. I had considered a used Prius when I was considering cars; but I ultimately decided on the Matrix/Vibe.

As I recall, the Ford gas engine on a hybrid relies on the hybrid bank to start.
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby Chiadog » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:54 pm

From memory, I think Ford and Toyota both use the planetary gear hybrid drive system, very complex but also the most efficient system. Both use a 12 volt car battery to start the engine.
The Kia Niro uses a much simpler hybrid system which is technically less efficient in operation, but offsets the efficiency deficit with a larger lithium ion battery, allowing for more miles driven before the engine is forced to run. The Niro system has only one motor/generator which is sandwiched between the engine and the automatic transmission. It'll be interesting to see how close they get to 50mpg!

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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby BenWA » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:28 pm

I might be wrong on who is like Toyota and who isn't....
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby JPark » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:26 pm

I was just checking the Niro out. Its interior dimensions are near identical to the First Gen Vibe. Nice! I'm interested in the plug-in hybrid due at the end of the year. One issue: it looks like the seats don't quite fold flat.
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby lannvouivre » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:36 am

The 12v normal car battery closes the high voltage electrical contacts on the high voltage hybrid battery system, at least in Fords. That's all it is for.
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Re: Gen 3 Vibe?; Kia's 50mpg Nero Hybrid.

Postby petervivian » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:43 am

Looks nice. What about the quality of Kia's recent small cars?
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