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Coronavirus

Post by joatmon » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:46 pm

How are you all reacting to the threat of the latest outbreak, what's your level of freakout?

I tend to hit the grocery stores often, don't normally keep a lot of food in house. My house normally would be fairly safe from plundering after the zombie apocalypse, but lately I've been stocking up. Not so much out of fear of having to interact with potentially infected people, more so to be able to stay home if I do get get sick.

I can work from anywhere there's internet, so I don't have to worry about the workplace if things get touchy. I've got a trip coming up in two months, not sure if I want to fly, but it'd be a three day drive each way for me. Hard to weigh the risks at this point.

I have relatives who I think are over reacting, stockpiling things like water and batteries, as if they expect civilization to collapse. I've noticed stores tend to be out of things like hand sanitizer and chicken soup. If it does get bad, I expect people in general to behave very poorly.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by andrewclaus » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:39 pm

I'm only concerned about panicking people, not the little bug.

I tend to stock a lot of non-perishables in the house anyway--beans, rice, flour, salt, enough for several months at least. I live near a perennial stream for water.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bookworm » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:22 pm

Realistically, unless you're already immune compromised (such as the elderly, or already have an illness, especially respiratory), you're going to end up fine. There's been a LONG thread about it on the fountain pen network forum. (several threads)

Wash your hands regularly, keep a reasonable distance from people, and stay healthy. Influenza is more of a risk; there are a lot more people dying from it every day than from Covid-19. (SARS-Cov-2, technically. The disease is COVID-19, the virus is SARS-Cov-2)

The biggest problem is people panicking that don't even know how to clean, let alone disinfect. My folks were looking at buying chlorine pucks to make the bleach they need to keep the septic system running, because people were buying it all up!

Doctor's offices and hospitals are already having troubles getting masks and alcohol wipes.

The masks are more for -sick- people to reduce the chances of them coughing or sneezing it on healthy people, or for doctors to keep from spreading things between patients.

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Post by tpollauf » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Panic & fear, mostly unnecessary at this point, is throwing the economy a REAL test .... and so far we're FAILING :twisted: I just hope my annuity recovers between now & 2031 (that will be my mandatory withdrawal timeframe). I will be treating it like "bonus" $$$, so if something is still there then great! If not, I'll still survive just fine.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Mark » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:50 pm

Interesting chart. I think that based on the response so far from our government we'll be on the yellow curve within a few weeks. But hey, the best way to keep the number of reported infections low is to just not test anyone! It's working!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by treesleavedents » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:57 pm

Yea as an american living in korea right now I'm shocked at how horribly the current administration is handling this compared to the korean government. The US isn't even scanning incoming people from korea or italy and the government is focusing on reducing the numbers reported rather than dealing with it... Y'all are pretty fucked to be honest and I'm worried about my dad who is at a high risk.

In korea, every airport and bus station in korea has thermal cameras scanning arrivals, they have drive through testing stations and masks are being rationed by only allowing people to buy them on certain days according to their birth year. They are distributed at post offices and pharmacies for government controlled prices to keep them affordable. Testing is free and easily available and treatment centers are well prepped as well as the emergency alert system being used to report where infected people have gone in each city.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by zbyers » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:37 am

Honestly, we live in a pretty rural area that not too many around here are freaking out about it. What many of them don't understand is we have several large businesses with executives who travel to some of these countries with bigger outbreaks. It could easily spread to here pretty quickly-- and our local are is NOT equipped to deal with it.

That said, it's also been insane how much it's affected business. We have product shipping over 5-6 weeks late because of the virus. Multiple that across every business in the US, and sales for Feb, March, and likely most of April, are going to be really bad.
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Post by Mark » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:00 pm

Wyoming is reporting zero confirmed cases at this time, but I think that's mostly because there's no testing taking place. Colorado went from it's first case on March 5 to 15 and counting today, so hard to believe we don't have any here yet.

Meanwhile Baghdad Bob, aka DC Donnie, says it's all just media hype. Nothing to worry about, it's all contained and is going to magically go away any day now.

And every store in town is sold out of toilet paper.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bookworm » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:40 pm

Mark wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:00 pm
Wyoming is reporting zero confirmed cases at this time, but I think that's mostly because there's no testing taking place. Colorado went from it's first case on March 5 to 15 and counting today, so hard to believe we don't have any here yet.

Meanwhile Baghdad Bob, aka DC Donnie, says it's all just media hype. Nothing to worry about, it's all contained and is going to magically go away any day now.

And every store in town is sold out of toilet paper.
The quotes I heard from Trump was that it's no worse than the flu - which is pretty much correct. I'll admit that I haven't spent any time searching out what he's said, as most of the time it's pretty idiotic anyway.

And I STILL don't understand the runs on toilet paper and clorox wipes. I can make 20 gallons of disinfectant from a Lysol concentrate that's cheaper than one can of wipes.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Vulcan05 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:03 am

Interesting that the people in power who have been exposed are Republicans. Is that Higher Power they are always crowing about trying to tell us something?
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Post by SlammedNiss » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:18 am

Vulcan05 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:03 am
Interesting that the people in power who have been exposed are Republicans. Is that Higher Power they are always crowing about trying to tell us something?
I especially love how one of the repubs in self quarantine is Matt Gaetz who showed up to work last week wearing an authentic gas mark.
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Post by Mark » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:14 pm

Bookworm wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:40 pm
The quotes I heard from Trump was that it's no worse than the flu - which is pretty much correct.
Except that it's not even remotely correct. Dr Anthony Fauci today in congressional testimony:
“I mean, people always say, well, the flu does this, the flu does that,” Fauci said. “The flu has a mortality of 0.1 percent. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That’s the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this."
And it's far more transmissible than the flu, adding new cases at a rate of 23% per day. Run the math on that out a few weeks. If the administration had put 1/10th as much effort into containment two weeks ago as they did trying to downplay it they may have maintained some control of the spread. Singapore and South Korea have kept it largely contained, Italy got behind and the number of cases exploded. We're way behind, and we're about to have our own bigger explosion.
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Post by zbyers » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:32 am

I live in a pretty rural area of PA. So far, things are mostly calm. However, a few neighboring counties in PA,as well as in NY, have some people into precautionary quarantine. Most around here seem to be under-concerned-- they don't think they will get sick. What I keep trying to stress to others is that your AVERAGE person will be fine. It's themselves coming into contact with their parents, grandparents, etc. that is more of an issue. Alas, they seem not yet worried.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bookworm » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:18 am

Mark wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:14 pm
Bookworm wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:40 pm
The quotes I heard from Trump was that it's no worse than the flu - which is pretty much correct.
Except that it's not even remotely correct. Dr Anthony Fauci today in congressional testimony:
“I mean, people always say, well, the flu does this, the flu does that,” Fauci said. “The flu has a mortality of 0.1 percent. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That’s the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this."
Where did the guy get THAT data? He certainly didn't get it from the CDC, or anyone else reputable.

There ARE no "good" statistics for mortality from Influenza. The thing is that most mortality from Influenza is caused by pneumonia, triggered by influenza. Thus, it's an influenza death.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5991814/

According to the _actual_ CDC, using their information for the 2017-2018 "flu season", P&I was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks, with the peak mortality being 10.0% for _four consecutive weeks_.
Pneumonia and Influenza-Associated Mortality

CDC tracks pneumonia and influenza (P&I)–attributed deaths through CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) Mortality Reporting System. The percentages of deaths attributed to P&I are released 2 weeks after the week of death to allow for collection of sufficient data to produce a stable P&I mortality percentage. During the 2017–18 season, based on data from NCHS, the proportion of deaths attributed to P&I was at or above the epidemic threshold**** for 16 consecutive weeks during the weeks ending December 23, 2017–April 7, 2018 (weeks 51–14). Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for 4 consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018 (week 3).


There is no way on God's green earth that they can claim 0.1% mortality rate, unless they completely throw out all of the actual P&I information, and go strictly with people that drop dead due to other immune system compromises. They're certainly using the P&I type data for SARS-Cov-2, (with the disease being COVID-19) as it causes a pneumonia, which is the killer.

So, the treatment for dealing with this is EXACTLY like the flu.

Wash your hands regularly, don't touch your face, sanitize public surfaces, keep a reasonable distance between you and other people, avoid people obviously sick, and if you're sick, stay away from people as much as possible!

I don't know what idiots are thinking this is special. It's _not_. It may have a higher mortality rate in the older section of the population (60 and up), but the disease spreads the same way as the common cold, as the flu, etc. Everything they've been saying on how to protect yourself and those around you is EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY ALWAYS SAY FOR THE FLU!

Yes, I'm shouting. It's because people just can't seem to remember past their last meal. Long before this was going on, they were talking about washing your hands, don't touch your face, GET A FLU SHOT.

The only difference is that right now, we don't have an active vaccine. It's in the works. End of spring for clinical trials is the current estimate. As this is based on a vaccine developed from/for the original SARS, I expect the trials to be reasonably short, using a LOT of volunteers, to make sure there aren't any obvious side effects from the new formulation. (Even if there's a "side effect" like they claimed from the Swine Flu vaccine, that was 450 people out of 45 million vaccinated, and is better than the 10% P&I from the 2017/2018 flu season)

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Post by Mark » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:20 pm

Sure. You're right. Why don't you call him and tell him how full of crap he is, and maybe they'll put you in charge.

What the hell does he know anyway?
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bookworm » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:05 pm

Mark wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Sure. You're right. Why don't you call him and tell him how full of crap he is, and maybe they'll put you in charge.

What the hell does he know anyway?
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio
As I pointed out, from their actual _site_, their _own statistics_ say that he's a liar. I don't care what his bio says. When he works for the NIH, and states publicly a number that _directly contradicts_ the NIH's own web site - that's a liar.

Unless, as I _also_ pointed out, he completely ignored the P&I statistics, which is where the true death toll happens. Not from people who just drop dead from contracting influenza (which are likely the pre-existing condition people).

Someone with an agenda told him "Lie in such a way that you can deny it."

You want to believe a cold-blooded liar? Go ahead. Remember, he was from a government funded group, in front of the people that approve the funding for that group. No, his bosses couldn't possibly have an agenda.

I'd rather believe the information that they put out _before_ it became a political football (about influenza). If COVID-19/SARS-Cov-2 is shown to be about the same as influenza in end mortality, even if it's just over a flu season, then all of a sudden, LOTS of people have egg on their face.

Me? I think they should be focusing on the REAL issues. 1) We don't have the herd immunity. That is the likely reason for the obvious spread, in conjunction to people actually paying attention to it. After decades, the flu is just "there". 2) The lethality seems to be concentrated at the higher end of the age group (ignoring the pre-existing condition people)

Absolutely - push the sanitation end - it's just no different than they've always pushed for the flu. However, instead of worrying about every single person, perhaps we should try to determine how to insulate the highest risk group from this until a vaccine is tested? However, that doesn't fit the "If it bleeds, it leads" mentality of the mass media and others seeking control. Sometimes I think they'd rather have lots of old people (including my parents) die just so they could push more headlines.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Vulcan05 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:06 am

Trump doesn't believe any of it because he doesn't believe in SCIENCE. Being a "very stable genius" who's uncle was a doctor, he is an expert on anything and everything.
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Post by joatmon » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:37 am

There are getting to be a lot of important politicians reported as having it.

I don't know if I'll ever get beyond the youthful sense of immortality, but I need to interact with some folks who are in what's being reported as high risk for this virus, so I'm taking more precautions than I normally do during flu season.

I have been stockpiling adult beverages in case I end up being bunkered down when genvibe turns 18 the first of next month

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As I pointed out, from their actual _site_, their _own statistics_ say that he's a liar. I don't care what his bio says. When he works for the NIH, and states publicly a number that _directly contradicts_ the NIH's own web site - that's a liar.

Unless, as I _also_ pointed out, he completely ignored the P&I statistics, which is where the true death toll happens. Not from people who just drop dead from contracting influenza (which are likely the pre-existing condition people).
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Post by zbyers » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:39 am

Governor Wolf just announced that PA is to close all nonessential businesses for the next 2 weeks. This is going to have an interesting ramification (for better or worse). Frankly, I truly feel that simplest way to stop spreading COVID-19, is to keep as many people home as possible and self-contain there.

What's everyone else's state and/or employer doing to mitigate the impact?
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Post by Caretaker » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:06 pm

well,what they are all doing is ensuring that small businesses go out of business, resulting in coming layoffs. Countries that continually teter on financial ruin (aka: Italy, Spain) will begin to trigger a worldwide recession as goods and services can't reach markets, and people who stocked up on acres of toilet paper forgo buying non necessities from markets abroad. I for one have been waiting 3 years for something like this to happen and am thrilled there is a great buying opportunity again in the stock market. I also loved getting personal attention at my favorite vietnamese restaurant last night which included a complementary yummy custard and fruit parfait as a thanks for being brave enough to venture out and support their business.
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Post by joatmon » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:09 pm

zbyers wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:39 am
What's everyone else's state and/or employer doing to mitigate the impact?
here in Maryland, public schools are closed for at least two weeks. The small college near me is closed until mid April. My employer is doing mandatory telework.

My governor just announced closing things like casinos, gyms, theaters, and all bars and restaurants (except for carry out, drive thru and delivery). Also some other things like a prohibition on evictions and termination of utilities. Limiting gatherings to a max of 50 people.

They have provisions for continuing feeding kids who depend on getting food at school, which is another topic but sad that so many need it. They are also trying to figure out how to increase the hospital capacity, expecting it to be overwhelmed.

These are some strange times.

edit 3/17
Today, they announced that our primary election, previously scheduled for April 28, will be delayed until June 2 so they can implement a vote by mail alternative. Also, Vehicle emissions testing locations will be shut down and converted to virus testing sites. Motor vehicle administration (elsewhere called DMV) branches will close and expiring drivers license and vehicle registrations will not expire until 30 days after the emergency is lifted. No new drivers tests. Also, all tolls in the state are now cashless (EZ Pass or they'll bill your license plate)

edit 3/23
Now all "non-essential businesses" are ordered to close by 5 pm today

edit 3/31
yesterday, MD went under a mandatory stay at home order
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by KingKrab65 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:34 am

Larry Hogan rocks! What a great Governor he turned out to be in this crisis. I saw his interview the other night on the PBS News Hour. He did a good job on talking about his actions, what he was going to do, and wasn't afraid to say he did not have an answer. (What a concept)

We could do with a little more of our leadership taking a look at what he is doing.
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Post by SlammedNiss » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:06 pm

The state of Kansas cancelled all K-12 classes for the rest of this school year. Amazon has cancelled all non-essential incoming shipments to their warehouse. How long before the post office starts cutting back non-essential mail deliveries?

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Post by vibrologist » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 am

One of the better places to get information on the Corona Virus:
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I subscribed to this channel.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bookworm » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:05 pm

Here's an interesting article, from the Jerusalem Post.

Israeli Nobel Laureate: Coronavirus spread is slowing - The Jerusalem Post


https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Is ... ing-621145

I will point out that no matter what the end result may be, this particular scientist does praise the preventative measures (quarantines, etc). He's just saying that there's a natural choke point.

If it's true, it would explain how both SARS and MERS petered out - and I hope they _finish the stupid vaccine!_. (Unlike the SARS, MERS, and Ebola vaccines, which were abandoned due to losing budget).

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by cptnsolo77 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:56 pm

.....As a side note I purchased a spare TYC starter on Amazon just in case this one craps out. The current one is a advance auto unit with lifetime warranty BUT I figured with one car and social distancing, my neighbors probably wont give me a ride, and I DONT wanna sit 4FT from someone I dont really know either....and im NOT going to Uber. I hate to waste money but this is a different time. I also have a spare alternator, because the old one was giving me a battery light, but it will get me to the parts store if need be. That reminds me....I should check the battery water level.
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