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Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:25 pm

I have had an Avital 4103LX in my closet for a year and a half

I've seen several posts on the forum about installing a remote starter. So, through videos and various posts, I pretty much know where to connect all the wires and the process of how to mount the components.

What I don't have is confidence that I know there right wires to connect. Could somebody with experience with these things confirm my plan. I've pieced together a Google Sheet, based on the Bulldog wiring diagram and the applicable wires from the Avital Diagram on the far right.

I've also attached a picture of the Avital Wiring Connecction sheet. (It says 4103LX on the box, but it came with 4105 chart?)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

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EDIT: Updated link to spreadsheet.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:15 pm

If I don't mention it, it looks fine...

1. you can catch your 12 VOLT CONSTANT in the ignition column of your car. It will be a WHITE heavy gauge wire and will test +12v at all times.
2. your PARKING LIGHTS can be caught one of 2 places. Either in the kick or at the switch. Just make sure the jumper on the 4103 is set to the proper polarity.
3. You have TYPE B door locks, so you don't need to worry about the LOCK MOTOR WIRE.
4. Your HORN is optional and not necessary to operate.

Also, one thing you left out. You will need to ground the NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH of the 4103 or the unit will not remote start.

Lemme know if you have any other questions.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:34 am

Thank you!

I'll be sure to ask if I have any questions as I get into the install. I'm not sure yet if it will be this afternoon or next weekend.

I'm also realizing that I should have made the Sheet in my normal Google account, not my Google Apps account. It complicated the sharing process.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:28 am

Is the attached diagram the proper way to attach the relay to pop the hatch glass with the trunk release output? (Negative trunk pop output)
Do I even need the relay? (I presume so, if the Bulldog instructions call for it.)

So, For the Parking lights, I just need to splice into one of the two locations and make sure the jumper for polarity matches the wire I choose? The Avital Main Harness, 9 White wire says (+/-) Light Flash Output, so I guess that makes sense.

Neutral Safety Switch Input (Remote Start, 5-pin, 1 Black/White) just needs to go to ground? I currently have that wire called out as tapping into the lock motor wire, because I swear I saw that done somewhere else on this forum... (looking again, I am probably wrong.)

Not sure what else I need at this point. I'm on the fence with the horn, though I'll probably hate myself if I do connect it.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:16 pm

Wow, there's a lot going on with that relay diagram. Honestly, you shouldn't need a relay. If it's being pulsed ground, that means there's already an OEM relay that converts it to +12v to the glass-release motor in the hatch. So, you should just be able to take the red/white of the 4103 directly spliced to the blue/white on the car.

For your parking lights, what you said is correct. Just catch the wire wherever is easiest for you to get to then just make sure polarity is set correctly on the 4103.

As far the the neutral-safety switch, honestly the correct way is to hook it up to the wire that goes ground while the vehicle is in park. That way the car can't start if it's in gear. But in all my years of installing, I've never once hooked it up like that. Reason being, the only way to get the vehicle into gear, is to press on the brake peddle. And as long as you have the +12v brake shutdown wire connected, it will kill the remote start. So, to make wiring easier, I always grounded it at the same spot I grounded the main ground.

The horn is a personal preference, but I've never found I needed/wanted it.

Edit:
Just realized why there was so much going on with that relay diagram. That's for a 5-wire truck release. I didn't even know such a thing existed.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:49 am

Ha. Well, I found that diagram by searching for information on how to use the bulldog 775 relay to pop a trunk. I'll take your word for it that isn't needed.

The weather isn't too favourable this morning for my install, so I'm keeping an eye on the weather.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:39 am

runningslow wrote:Ha. Well, I found that diagram by searching for information on how to use the bulldog 775 relay to pop a trunk. I'll take your word for it that isn't needed.

The weather isn't too favourable this morning for my install, so I'm keeping an eye on the weather.


The easy way to test is to go ahead and tap your blue/white hatch release wire on the car. Before hooking it up to the red/white of the 4103, take it and touch any grounded part of the car. It should release.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:00 pm

So frustrated. I swear everything is connected correctly.

Main harness, 9-Pin
1-6 not connected.
7 - pops trunk when grounded (no relay needed)
8 - grounded
9 - I accidentally blew fuse, but its wired to the green/white at the switch. I accidentally hit it with my + probe when testing. How would I actually test this? Continuity with ground when parking lights on?

Door lock, 3-Pin
Voltage drops to 0 on appropriate when actuated by key in the door.

Remote start, 6-pin
All wires connected and appropriate readings at the harness.

Satellite harness, 4-pin
Not connected

Remote Start, 5-pin
1 - grounded
2 - AC reading at idle
3 - loses continuity to ground when brake pressed
4-5 Not connected.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:22 pm

Lets start with the basics. First off, the 4103 should come pre-programmed to the remotes, so it's doubtful it's that...

Does the 4103 make ANY NOISE at all when pressing the lock/unlock buttons? You should hear the relay inside the unit clicking once (lock) or twice (unlock). If not, then you don't have either main +12v power or ground correct.

For the parking lights, if you're using the (-)green/white wire, then if you ground it out, it should turn on the parking lights if you have the correct wire. Vice versa if you go for the (+)green wire. If you touch the green wire to +12v then it should turn on the parking lights.

Door locks should be +12v at rest, then like you said, will drop to 0v when actuated by the key. Again, if you have the correct wire, if you ground it out will either lock or unlock the doors.

4-pin satellite harness is useless. Throw it away.

+brown brake shutdown wire should be connected to the wire that goes +12v when you press on the brake.

If by some chance it didn't come pre-programmed at the factory, you can always look in the guide on how to program them. It's a pretty simple process.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:16 pm

I get zero response from the system. Period. No clicking. No lights. Ground continuity tests positive and I have +12v on both constant 12V lines.

I grounded my white wire for the parking lights. Lights came on and the "headlights on, no key" buzzer sounded until I pulled the inline fuse on the white wire.

Door locks work when wires ground.

Brown brake wire get 12V when brake is pressed.

I don't get any response when I try to follow the programming instructions.

Is this thing DOA? Did I inadvertently fry it by connecting something wrong initially?
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:37 pm

OK, then let's start from the beginning. I hate to ask this of ya, but disconnect everything EXCEPT your ground (#8, 9-pin) and +12v (red, 6-pin). with only those 2 connected, you should have at least SOME response (relay clicking inside unit ) when pressing lock/unlock on the keypad. If not, the unit is either DOA or something happened along the way.

I see you're in Dallas. I'm a short 6 hours away in Hutchinson, KS. If you can make it here today, I can personally help you figure it out. :mrgreen:
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:27 pm

If I didn't have to work tomorrow... I would actually take you up on that.

At the moment, family plans getting in the way of further troubleshooting. I'll either pick it back up later tonight or tomorrow evening.

Thank you so much for your help.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:10 am

SlammedNiss wrote:OK, then let's start from the beginning. I hate to ask this of ya, but disconnect everything EXCEPT your ground (#8, 9-pin) and +12v (red, 6-pin). with only those 2 connected, you should have at least SOME response (relay clicking inside unit ) when pressing lock/unlock on the keypad. If not, the unit is either DOA or something happened along the way.

I see you're in Dallas. I'm a short 6 hours away in Hutchinson, KS. If you can make it here today, I can personally help you figure it out. :mrgreen:

Maybe I can rig something up and just connect it straight to the battery or piggy back off the harnesses for this test, without disconnecting anything..... otherwise, this will be a huge PITA. At least I used wire taps, instead of soldering wires, so taking them off won't be so bad, if I go that route.

If it turns out to be DOA, maybe I can snag a cheap unit off ebay or something and just leave all the other wiring in place. I don't want to fork up any more cash to replace it, but I'm in this deep. I might as well finish the job.

What are the chances I fried it? Is that easy to do?
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:45 pm

I connected the ground and both 12V constant lines directly to the battery. No response from the unit.

So, I'm guessing its DOA or got fried. :evil: :oops:
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:25 pm

runningslow wrote:
SlammedNiss wrote:What are the chances I fried it? Is that easy to do?


There are inline fuses on anything that has incoming power, so I don't think it would be easy to do. Honestly, if you replace the unit, I'd still recommend starting fresh with the wiring, starting first with your main ignition wires + ground. Then testing after every time you hook up another wire. That way if it all of a sudden doesn't respond you know what wire to change.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:42 am

I'm working on the assumption the unit is dead. I've found another on eBay pretty cheap, so we'll see in a few days. I'll test it with minimal wiring first. :P
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby runningslow » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:53 pm

So, either I now have two DOA units... or I'm doing something wrong. I prefer to think its the latter.

What is the bare minimum that needs to be connected to get signs of life (relay clicking when lock/unlock pressed)?
Ground, power, antenna. Anything else? Please be explicit, exact pins.

The only thing in the box that I haven't touched (apart from satellite harness and hood pin) is a toggle switch, which I had thought is simply intended to be wired in-line with something else (neutral safety?) to activate/deactivate the system.
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Re: Avital Remote Starter

Postby SlammedNiss » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:17 pm

runningslow wrote:So, either I now have two DOA units... or I'm doing something wrong. I prefer to think its the latter.

What is the bare minimum that needs to be connected to get signs of life (relay clicking when lock/unlock pressed)?
Ground, power, antenna. Anything else? Please be explicit, exact pins.

The only thing in the box that I haven't touched (apart from satellite harness and hood pin) is a toggle switch, which I had thought is simply intended to be wired in-line with something else (neutral safety?) to activate/deactivate the system.


Red out of the 6 pin goes to +12v constant, black out of 9 pin needs to go to ground. Plug one end of the antenna wire into the 4103 and plug the other end into the antenna receiver. From there you should hear the internal relay for the parking lights click when pressing lock/unlock on the keypad.

If anything, test by touching the wires directly to the battery in the car.
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