First, I forgot to mention I have a Pioneer App Radio 2 installed in my Vibe, which have an input for back camera connectivity in it. I guess that the wiring of the radio is already connected to the backup interrupter of the car. I paid to have it installed, so because I did not do it myself, I may be wrong about this.ParknVibe wrote:I just installed a backup camera in my 2009 VIbe. The wire that you shown in your camera link is nearly exactly like my Clarion CC510 camera...with that special thin four wire plug.
So that all the wiring must be wired up under the dash and to the radio. You must locate the backup light wire feed at the fuse block (under the left side of the steering wheel)
You then must tap into that wire and to the radio's reverse wire with same red camera wire. I made a Y-plug using 1/8" stereo plugs (male and females) and brought both wires to the radio and connected all three wires using the Y-connector plug. That way you can disconnect any one if you need to replace or remove something. My backup lite wire is a red wire at the last pin #30. I tap a three foot long red wire to that wire and brought it to the radio (with a female plug at the end ) Added a female plug to the camera's red wire. Made a Y-connector using two male plugs to the radio's reverse wire. When you put the car into reverse, the backup wire will power both the camera and the video display on the radio.
The black ground wire was connected to a dedicated grounding bolt I found behind the radio.
As for the routing of the wiring, just pull of the floor trim covers at the foot of the driver's side doors and follow the wire to the back under center post and then lift up the edge of the rear seat. You will be able to feed through to the rear.
We have two different hatch door designs....where as you have the license plate mounted on the door and the 2009-2010 Vibe has it in the bumper....I mounted my camera next to the license plate light. The camera has a bracket and sticky mounting tape....I just had to stick it to surface. The camera that you show is the type that must be placed in a large 1 inch dia. hole of which you must drill. And you should drill through a plastic bumper or other body panel.
I also learn that the reverse wire from the radio must get the same 12 volts from the backup light circuit as does the camera... However, at first I did not wire that radio wire....I thought the signal in the yellow RCA plug made the picture come on. And it did....but NOT automatically....it was display on a separate aux display located on the radio option selection.... But for you to get the radio to auto switch to the backup image, you must wired as I original explained....The radio and camera instructions don't say this.
I have a 1/8 thick cox type cable from the camera (about 5 feet long) with a special 4 pin plug at the end. And then I have 20 foot or so length that runs from that connection to the front. At the front end is the RCA jack, the red 12 volt wire and the black ground with a ring connector. BTW: the red wire has a tube which has a fuse in it. If your camera has the RCA and the RED wire on the short length, then it is different from what you showed....
According to the App Radio install manual :ParknVibe wrote:I am very sure that the OEM radio connector plugs are NOT "backup camera ready" or wired. Your best bet is to go back to your installer and ask him how he wired the radio to the OEM GM plugs.... Nearly every aftermarket radio has there own wiring harness.. Metra can provide you with the wire harness plug that mates into your make and model car....however you must splice the new radio harness to the Metra harness....But be warn that the RED ignition wire maybe located at a different pin location as I found with my 2009 vibe.
Looks like the Gauge is the one for the backup-lights, but it is multipurpose, so I'm not so sure how to interpret that information...Not to mention that I have some problems matching what I see in the car with the image in the manual. Maybe you have more experience with that type of information.
Gauge = Gauges and Meters,Back-Up Lamps, Charging System, Power Door Locks, Power Windows, Sunroof, Air Conditioning, Cruise Control
This picture and the third one showing your plug....appears to be of what is behind a lower kick panel next to your left foot rest. The fuse block is directly behind the lower dash panel above what you are showing....if I am not mistaken. There maybe a few switches and a pull down storage tray in the panel.meall wrote:After reading the list of cables and possibilities in the thread I mentioned in previous post, I think I may have a solution:
I should connect, using of of the cable I routed to the back, the camera power (RED) cable to the Accessory GRAY(+)RADIO HARNESS. That way, the camera should get power all the time when the car is on. Would prefer to have the camera receiving power all time, so I can use it even if I'm not in reverse driving. I read of many people on the net who did connect it only to the reverse position, and they regret it.
Also, the reverse gear signal input of the HU (violet wire) should be connected to the Reverse Lights RED/BLACK(+)PIN 11 AT THE PCM CONNECTOR 3 I took a picture (see below) of the back of the fuse block to help me, but the space is very tight and is difficult to distinguish that wire from the other one. That is what I just hate about car mod, the cramped space we have to work in!
You're right, it is the panel to the left of the driving wheel.ParknVibe wrote:This picture and the third one showing your plug....appears to be of what is behind a lower kick panel next to your left foot rest. The fuse block is directly behind the lower dash panel above what you are showing....if I am not mistaken. There maybe a few switches and a pull down storage tray in the panel.
I saw the fuse box, very well hidden, and not easy to access with my large hands!lannvouivre wrote:The PCM and its connectors are behind the glove box. The driver's side fuse box is behind the cubby hole to the left of the steering wheel. If you lie the back of your head on that footrest and look straight up, you will see the I/P fuse box.
I'm not sure what you are referring to in the second part of your message. Are you talking about splicing for backup lights, or more likely for the camera power source to get a 12V?lannvouivre wrote: An easier place to splice would be into the yellow-tan wire in the ignition harness inside the steering column. I have no idea what it's voltage is, though, because the multimeter I have is an old, cheap analog version that's...scaled confusingly. I'm used to digital models, plus my hands shake so bad I can't stay on the wire and get a good reading.
Nice to see you back. I wonder where you were all that timetrb wrote:Looks like you are coming along on this project! One thing I can add regarding the reverse lights is that the wiring for the lights goes through the manual transmission and is powered by a reverse light switch on the top of the transmission. I have a short in mine somewhere, as the Gauges fuse blows when I put it in reverse, but once I unplugged the wires at the transmission, it stopped blowing.
sounds interesting, but how do we get there?trb wrote:If you want to use the camera more often than only when in reverse, I would probably wire the power up to a separate switch in the dash that would provide 12v on demand in one position, and 12v only when the car is in reverse in the other position.
Yes, although now that I think about it, it may be a constant 12V. Let me see which wire is hot only in run/start.meall wrote:I'm not sure what you are referring to in the second part of your message. Are you talking about splicing for backup lights, or more likely for the camera power source to get a 12V?
I just come back from the garage, where I ask a few question to my "car guy". He also suggested the lighter plug, but he said that the camera will keep up all the time. I told him that the Vibe, as far as I can remember, "disconnect" the lighter plug when the car is off. He was sceptic about it, but I'm pretty sure it is the case. You just confirm my car is not a production error!!lannvouivre wrote:I think the cigarette lighter may also carry the voltage you need under the conditions you want as it is off when the car is off, so you can splice there if necessary. Do you have a multimeter at all? I'd be happy to check voltage for you, but I can't afford a DMM I can actually read right now.
Yes, while I'm no expert at using it tho...lannvouivre wrote:Do you have a multimeter at all? I'd be happy to check voltage for you, but I can't afford a DMM I can actually read right now.
after much thinking, I think I may do this without any relay or anything tricky. While I passed the video cable, I also routed 2 wires. I can use one to connect the camera to the 12V lighter plug (behind the transmission console). Then I can use the other to connect the radio reverse gear input wire to the back of the Vibe to the reverse light (red cable in the harness if I refer to your cabling diagram). That way, I should have to different circuit for the two tasks to accomplish, and no need for a relay of any kind. Am I right?audiovibe wrote:Wow this place brings back memories.
Easiest way to hook the camera up so it is use able any time the car is on would be to tap an accessory wire and a reverse wire using 2 relays to keep the circuits separate. I have a diagram for the relay wiring that I will dig out a little later for you.
For the reverse wire I always pull at the rear lamp as you have to run video cable from rear to front so it is not much more work and easier then splicing under a dash. Using a relay any accessory wire will work I would just pull from the lighter plug in the dash.
I will grab the diagram for you in a few.
Aron
I've been here, just didn't have much input on the wiring particulars! I haven't done much wiring to the Vibes, but have great diagrams and lots of experience wiring my Mustang!meall wrote:Nice to see you back. I wonder where you were all that timetrb wrote:Looks like you are coming along on this project! One thing I can add regarding the reverse lights is that the wiring for the lights goes through the manual transmission and is powered by a reverse light switch on the top of the transmission. I have a short in mine somewhere, as the Gauges fuse blows when I put it in reverse, but once I unplugged the wires at the transmission, it stopped blowing.
I guess the red/black wire shown in the previous picture should be the same wire found on the transmission top, right? If so, the globe box is an easy to access wire, now it has been removed.
I was thinking relays also, since you don't want to connect the two 12v sources at any point in the wiring or the reverse lights might get a back-fed current through the camera and turn on when you flip the switch while not in reverse. Might give someone behind you a heart attack!meall wrote:sounds interesting, but how do we get there?trb wrote:If you want to use the camera more often than only when in reverse, I would probably wire the power up to a separate switch in the dash that would provide 12v on demand in one position, and 12v only when the car is in reverse in the other position.
It would depend on which battery wire you use. The keyed on power wire should be an OK source since it will be off when the key is off. Just don't use the clock power lead. But the power port/lighter is a good option too.meall wrote: After a good night speed, I also figured out that maybe the Accessory wire of the radio may not provide the required 12V for the camera. I'm not sure that taping to the Battery wire of the radio is better, as it may keep the camera up even when the car is stopped. That I'm not so sure about this.
I'm trying to install a backup camera. Same project as 2 days agoParknVibe wrote:You lost me about what you are trying to do??? That is since yesterday...
The Vibe is a Toyota-build vehicle. He is probably used to other cars which supply power to the lighter 24/7; my mother warned me not to leave things plugged into the lighter because it would drain the battery. She has only ever had Dodge, Chevy, and Ford cars. I think Toyotas must be different in this way.meall wrote:I just come back from the garage, where I ask a few question to my "car guy". He also suggested the lighter plug, but he said that the camera will keep up all the time. I told him that the Vibe, as far as I can remember, "disconnect" the lighter plug when the car is off. He was sceptic about it, but I'm pretty sure it is the case. You just confirm my car is not a production error!!
My wife have Pontiac G5, and it is also 24/7. Bad design if you ask me!lannvouivre wrote:The Vibe is a Toyota-build vehicle. He is probably used to other cars which supply power to the lighter 24/7; my mother warned me not to leave things plugged into the lighter because it would drain the battery. She has only ever had Dodge, Chevy, and Ford cars. I think Toyotas must be different in this way.meall wrote:I just come back from the garage, where I ask a few question to my "car guy". He also suggested the lighter plug, but he said that the camera will keep up all the time. I told him that the Vibe, as far as I can remember, "disconnect" the lighter plug when the car is off. He was sceptic about it, but I'm pretty sure it is the case. You just confirm my car is not a production error!!
Here you lost me. In order you said:lannvouivre wrote:I guess the red/black wire on the PCM must come before the reverse switch. There's a wire that comes from the transmission that is behind the switch, so it's only hot when you're in reverse. The red/white wire to the transmission is before the switch, the red/black wire is after the switch and only gets the voltage when you engage that switch.
From this thread:lannvouivre wrote:EDIT: Actually, what thing told you to go with the red/black wire on the PCM? My diagram is showing red/white for the PCM reverse signal wire, and red/black on the I/P fuse box wire.
Why are you fooling around with lighters, and PCM, and behind the glove compartment?meall wrote:I'm trying to install a backup camera. Same project as 2 days agoParknVibe wrote:You lost me about what you are trying to do??? That is since yesterday...
Which part I confused you about?
Be patient with me, I learn as I go...ParknVibe wrote:Why are you fooling around with lighters, and PCM, and behind the glove compartment?
Did you ever take that panel off to expose the fuse block? There you will see a few cube blocks that are relay switches along with the large plugs that should have the light wires that run to the rear.
On the diagrams from ProDemand (this is a service, it gets the diagrams from the factories), the wire starts out as red/black, changes to red/white when it leaves the PCM and goes to the transmission, then changes to red/black after the transmission switch.meall wrote:Here you lost me. In order you said:So, the RED/BLACK is after or before the reverse switch?
- the red/black wire on the PCM must come before the reverse switch
- The red/white wire to the transmission is before the switch
- the red/black wire is after the switch and only gets the voltage when you engage that switch
On the diagrams from ProDemand (this is a service, it gets the diagrams from the factories), the wire starts out as red/black, changes to red/white when it leaves the PCM and goes to the transmission, then changes to red/black after the transmission switch.[/quote]lannvouivre wrote:So, the RED/BLACK is after or before the reverse switch?
I also think it is in parallel, as far as I remember my electricity theory course!lannvouivre wrote:If you want to use the motor wire at the back as a constant, just make sure it's got 12 volts on it. Also, you may need to make it so you can turn the camera off when you use the wiper motor, otherwise the motor may not have enough voltage to work. Not 100% sure, I don't know enough about the physics of electrical circuits to know if this counts as a series circuit or a parallel circuit...I think it may be parallel.
The pump to send washing fluid to the rear of the car, along with all that pump's wires, should be at the front of the car with the fluid reservoir so it should be finemeall wrote:Maybe the only thing I have not tested is the washer liquid on the back window. I will test it right now: camera+wiper working+washer fluid. If that's working, I guess it should be OK for the rest of the installation. I'll also, while I'm there, test the license plate lights with all of that. That's all there is in the hatch door anyway...
The Radio have a mode to switch to the camera, even if not in reverse mode. It then takes the input from the RCA in instead of any other source. That should not be a problem if the camera is connected to a different source than the reverse light (lighter or wiper motor), as I won't have to turn the reverse lights on to have power to the camera.ParknVibe wrote:Disregard the following instruction.....This only happened when I had the car in reverse....without the radio reverse signal wire attached... I was wondering why I was not seeing the radio switch to the video... But you will have to turn on the backup lights as you are driving forward....I seen a car doing that recently. So I would think you still need a switch that will bypass the backup light switch that is attached to the trans- shifter mechanism. {{{{ I better stay out of this thread!! Good luck!}}
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About the idea of using the camera (NOT in Reverse but anytime)....will require you to ADD a switch that will cut off the reverse signal to the radio. Then you will have to switch to "camera mode" in your radio' menu options....will then see your image.
I learned about this before I added the Radio's Reverse signal wire to the camera's red wire.
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Exactly what I thought too, and just tested this: wiper+camera+washer liquid+door lock/unlock+license plate light+reverse lights. Result is that everything worked just fine, no fuse blew out...lannvouivre wrote:The pump to send washing fluid to the rear of the car, along with all that pump's wires, should be at the front of the car with the fluid reservoir so it should be fine
I lightly skimmed the wires, one at a time, to test them. Happen to be that none of them are the one I'm looking for. I continue my search for the holy grail...trb wrote:You can use a pin to pierce the wire to test it and just wrap it with electrical tape after if you want to seal it back up. I've done it before on mine.