Radio lights going out

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Vibewagen » Fri May 11, 2012 5:11 pm

Great DIY guide! Just registered to thank you about it!
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby crazytrain » Sat May 12, 2012 2:28 pm

This just started happening in my '06 Vibe. Very nice instructions indeed. Still helping people out nearly 4 years later.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Paco » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:55 pm

Thanks Joatmon for the awesome guide! This turned out to be a great project for my son and I. The display works perfect. :D

I ended up ordering the 2162 bulbs, I like the 10,000 hour rating. Our theory on why these display bulbs have burned out is this, those little white rubber things that were on the original bulbs caused them to run too hot leading to premature failure. Just my thoughts. We left them off the new bulbs.

Also, the 5 screws on the back of the metal panel were 1/8 " . This is a really small socket. We only had a metric, it is between a 3 mm and 3.5 mm. We ended up finding a micro driver set at Lowe's that had a 1/8 in it.

Thanks again.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Reymon » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:57 pm

I just recently replace my radio screen bulb and still does not work??? What else could it be?

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Reymon » Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:01 pm

I just replaced the 3 bulb radio screen and still doesnt work?? What else could it be?

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Tswit » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:50 am

Thanks for the great instructions! We used the "74"s to replace all three burnt out bulbs, working great now. The best thing is that I did this project with my 13year old son who is going to get this car when he turns 16. He now knows how to solder!

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Reymon » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:47 pm

My radio light still dont work, i replaced all 3 bulbs. Any suggestion?

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby joatmon » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:23 pm

no idea. I assume other lights in the radio are working ok (the ones that are controlled by the dimmer switch)

Sorry I can't offer any info

Maybe best to look for a factory radio someone is selling after replacing theirs with an aftermarket radio.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Tswit » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:12 pm

Reymon, I can think of two possibilities for your's not working. It is possible that you shorted the back lights when soldering or you may not have a good contact on one of the LCD tabs when you twisted the tabs back in place (those tabs hold the LCD in place and are the electrical connections for the LCD). When you have your radio on, can you see that the backlight are illuminated but none of the numbers or letters on the display? If no, my suggestion is to take the radio apart again an check the new lights with a 9v battery and wire leads. If you have a soldering short, the lights shouldn't light up. If no short, all three backlights should light up. If you can see the back lights when the radio is turned on, I recommend you ensure that all of the LCD tabs are making contact with their respective contacts on the circuit board. I wasn't sure of this when I retwisted the tabs so I put a little solder on each tab making sure I got a good connection. I hope one of these suggestions help you, good luck.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby woodyg » Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Tswit wrote:Reymon, I can think of two possibilities for your's not working. It is possible that you shorted the back lights when soldering or you may not have a good contact on one of the LCD tabs when you twisted the tabs back in place (those tabs hold the LCD in place and are the electrical connections for the LCD). When you have your radio on, can you see that the backlight are illuminated but none of the numbers or letters on the display? If no, my suggestion is to take the radio apart again an check the new lights with a 9v battery and wire leads. If you have a soldering short, the lights shouldn't light up. If no short, all three backlights should light up. If you can see the back lights when the radio is turned on, I recommend you ensure that all of the LCD tabs are making contact with their respective contacts on the circuit board. I wasn't sure of this when I retwisted the tabs so I put a little solder on each tab making sure I got a good connection. I hope one of these suggestions help you, good luck.

I did the repair also. I used the 74's............what a PITA........My radio is not working at all now......I did a horrible soldering job on the bulbs........kind of a big blob......the other lights on the radio are working but there is no music now and the LCD display is not working............I have done full brake jobs that were easier......
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby rmlmt » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Thanks for the help. I just replaced my one bad bulb along with the other two bulbs. This thread along with this youtube video helped me gain the confidence to try and tackle the job myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-TkGnDE ... ure=g-hist .

The Bulbs I used were bought at Radio Shack. They are Krypton Gas 12v - 50ma Bi-Pin Lamps. Similar in size but slightly smaller than the originals. (The part # at Radio Shack is 272-1154) I re installed the little rubber light diffusers on the new bulbs and just rolled them back alittle since the new bulbs are shorter than the old ones. Seems to be working fine and the new bulbs, despite the size difference, seem to appear to have the same brightness as the old bulbs. My soldering skills were not the best, so hopefully the new bulbs will stay attached to the board for a long time. :D
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Reaccion » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:36 pm

Thank you "joatmon" for these great instructions to change the screen light bulbs.

I first changed mine using the RadioShack mini lamp 272-1141 ($1.69 each). These are 12V 25mA (0.025Amp) (Sorry for the bad quality pictures).

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I did not like the results. 0.025Amps were too little Amps to light up the screen with the right brightness. So I ordered some T1.75 Miniature Automotive Light Bulbs #2162 on eBay ($1.05 each + $0.99 + Free additional bulb shipment). These are the actual size to fit the white bulb rubbers with the right brightness. They are 14V 0.1Amp (100mA) but they light up just with the correct brightness (I compared my radio screen with my sister's Vibe's). I think that the fact that these are meant for 14V instead of 12V, it will give the light bulbs a longer life. :-)

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby jasonvibe » Sat May 18, 2013 11:07 am

you misread the label 272-1141 is 25mA milliamps not .25 Amps(250 mA) that's a factor of times 10 difference. Thus it's dim
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby Reaccion » Tue May 21, 2013 2:00 pm

jasonvibe wrote:you misread the label 272-1141 is 25mA milliamps not .25 Amps(250 mA) that's a factor of times 10 difference. Thus it's dim


Yes, you are right. 25mA is equals to 0.025 amps. I already made the corrections. Thanks!

Reaccion wrote:Thank you "joatmon" for these great instructions to change the screen light bulbs.

I first changed mine using the RadioShack mini lamp 272-1141 ($1.69 each). These are 12V 25mA (0.025Amp) (Sorry for the bad quality pictures).

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I did not like the results. 0.025Amps were too little Amps to light up the screen with the right brightness. So I ordered some T1.75 Miniature Automotive Light Bulbs #2162 on eBay ($1.05 each + $0.99 + Free additional bulb shipment). These are the actual size to fit the white bulb rubbers with the right brightness. They are 14V 0.1Amp (100mA) but they light up just with the correct brightness (I compared my radio screen with my sister's Vibe's). I think that the fact that these are meant for 14V instead of 12V, it will give the light bulbs a longer life. :-)

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby kc6yot » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:29 pm

Thanks for your post, I used the Sylvania Long Life 74ll bulbs from Auto Zone. $10.88 total cost for the repair, the wife is happy her radio display is working perfect now. Note of caution, look out for the sharp metal edges on the mounting brackets, ouch.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby 04shadowvibe » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:54 pm

Anyone know if there is a way to remove the red from the LCD display while it is off to change the bulbs behind it? I have such a hard time seeing red and black together, infact I hate all Pontiac and now new GMC gauges because of this color combo. was just curious if this was an option as I need to replace my back light bulbs on the 07.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby treesap32 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:25 pm

Thanks again for this thread! I was able to replace my burnt out bulbs and the LCD is working great now!

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby vibrologist » Mon May 26, 2014 7:19 am

It's time for another heartfelt THANK YOU!! to joatmon and the other contributors.

05 Vibe. I replaced the bulbs with Sylviana 74LL, without rubber thingies. It took about 1 1/2 hours and went without a hitch.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby GammaFlat » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:40 pm

Thanks for help here. I just did my radio (Yeah! success!) and about to do my brother's.

I got the bulb's quick from one of the links in this thread (Bulbtown - #2162 miniature bulb wire terminal base). They were .70 each so I ordered 10 knowing I'd need at least 6. My mission is to replace all (I think 2 out of 3 are bad in both radios).

The hardest part for me was cleaning the solder hole. I need 2 people or a "helping hand" type device to do it with a solder sucker. Alternatively, I heated a 3 inch piece of 20 gauge (I think) wire and shoved it through. As you heat an push it through, it "gathers" solder along the way. Pulling it all the way through should leave you a hole. I hated to heat up the bulb wire too much (to make it go through on it's own) because it's a very small gauge and it's nice to be able to put both wires in at the same time before you solder them in place.

Again, thank you very much for the great article and the mechanism to post this type material.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby mesohungry » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Use desoldering braid instead of a solder sucker. It works great especially when you add a little liquid flux.
It'll clear the holes pretty easily.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby trevg » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:20 pm

Not meaning to bring back an old post but mine just went out so I know this must still be relevant for some. ;) You can get the bulbs from here, http://www.corvetteradios.com/corvetteradios_013.htm which charges $27 for the three LCD backlights and four button backlights (the non-LED ones.) I cannot yet attest to the performance of these bulbs since mine haven't even arrived yet, but it's probably going to be the most-OEM-like option you will find. Will post updates with pictures. Hope it helps! :D

Update: did the install, wow that was some tedious soldering work. Very happy with the results though, the bulbs are perfect, would recommend.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby skimask » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:22 pm

Just did this fix using #2162 bulbs. Those little light bulb "condoms" are a PITA. Totally wrecked one, half-wrecked another one, and a chunk missing out of third one. Got 7 bulbs left. Thinking if somebody wants their radio fixed and isn't handy with a soldering iron, PM me, send it to me, I'll take care of it.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby vibrologist » Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:23 am

skimask wrote:Just did this fix using #2162 bulbs. Those little light bulb "condoms" are a PITA. Totally wrecked one, half-wrecked another one, and a chunk missing out of third one. Got 7 bulbs left. Thinking if somebody wants their radio fixed and isn't handy with a soldering iron, PM me, send it to me, I'll take care of it.

I believe the "condoms" are nothing else but diffusers for the light. I did not bother reusing them, I mean who in his right mind would reuse a condom? My lamps are "au nature" and shining bright. However, one of the new ones is out already.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby joebiloba » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:38 pm

Successfully pulled off this repair, using the 74 bulbs. Even got those little condoms rolled on.

Looks great!


The past week:

Isimple hard wired fm transmitter install, heater blower motor replacement, actuator refurb and reinstall, and this repair....good week for the vibe!

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby jim2004Matrix » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:01 pm

My Radio lights completely went out, and I wanted to try LEDs instead of bulbs.
Here is the end result using Radio Shack High Brightness White LEDs #276-0024
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby jim2004Matrix » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:14 pm

Another tip on disassembly - In removing display, after straightening metal tabs, pull display STRAIGHT out from circuit board. There are two plastic alignment posts on the display that you do not want to break! In my photo the post on the left is partially broken. When reassembling, make sure signal contact pads are clean, and apply pressure over the contact pads when bending the four metal tabs back.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby jim2004Matrix » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:27 pm

The first step in using LEDs is figuring out the polarity. Facing the front of the circuit board, the positive voltage hole is on the right, for all three bulbs. Positive marked "+" in the photo.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby jim2004Matrix » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:46 pm

Here is the Circuit board with Radio Shack High Brightness White LEDs, PN 276-0024.
Each LED has a 1/2 Watt, 220 ohm resistor (power computes to about 1/4 Watt) in series with the LED. The resistor can be on either LED lead. The current in each LED measured 39mA. I used epoxy under each LED to conduct heat to the circuit board. Though in operation the LEDs do not get warm, the resistors dissipate the most heat.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby ZubenElGenubi » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:49 pm

Again, GENVIBE to the rescue (joatmon, especially)

All three of my lights finally went out on the stock radio (yes, I still have my 2004 Vibe as my daily driver!). So, after a couple of months of trying to remember settings, I went to Radio Shack and picked up a couple pairs of the 12V, 60mA bulbs (272-1092) and set to work.

I didn't have any issue removing the rubber diffusers (aka, "condoms") but they are larger than the new bulbs. So, after soldering in the replacements, I put the diffusers over the bulbs and added a tiny drop of contact cement between the circuit board and diffuser to hold them in place.

The display looks good as new. I replaced a couple of buttons that had worn out while I was at it, but there is still a bit of wear on a few others.

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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby John6458 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:15 pm

Thanks for the great steps. I just did the fix using #2162 bulbs. Working great. I have extra #2162 bulbs if any one need $2.50 for three bulbs with shipping. E nail me at John6458@aol.com for info and pic of bulbs.
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Re: Radio lights going out

Postby joatmon » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:00 am

In the interest of full disclosure, I need to report that I'm having an issue with the LCD in my radio, one of the segments in the hour position is gone, and I'm getting a large bloom in the center.

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I've had this unit in my car for about 330K miles, since June '03. looks like I put the #74 bulbs in in June '08, about 170K vibe miles ago.

Is my developing LCD issue a result of using a different bulb, perhaps brighter/hotter, or is it just the kind of thing that happens after a third of a million miles of on time? I don't know, and honestly at this point I don't particularly care, but I thought it responsible to mention it
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