GM's proposed Vibe replacement(s)

ned23 · Post by **ned23** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:31 am

Looking over some of GM's new lines, it appears that they think the Chevy Equinox will satisfy most of the small crossover market. Any ideas? http://www.trucktrend.com/feat....htmlPhoto of 2010 Equinox:

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KrazyB · Post by **KrazyB** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:43 am

There was an ad on tv for the equinox and they said that it got an average of 600 miles to the tank. Maybe it was a hybrid that would average out to 30 miles to the gallon on around a 20 gallon tank. Just guessing though.

MarkM04 · Post by **MarkM04** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:53 am

HHR is more in line with a Vibe.

ColonelPanic · Post by **ColonelPanic** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:29 am

The Equinox isn't really a Vibe replacement as it's so much larger but in terms of fuel economy, in four cylinder form it's an improvement over the 2.4 Vibe.The base 2.4L four cylinder Equinox gets 22 city/32 highway. Toyota manages only 21/28 MPG out of their same size engine in the much smaller (and 700 lbs lighter) Vibe/Matrix.I understand the upcoming "Orlando" is the replacement for the HHR. So that would be a more ideal candidate for Vibe replacement.

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:00 am

2010 Equinox - 600 miles to the tank - obviously all highway driving.I made a list of alternatives on my last visit to the Auto Show. Here are a few.Honda FitNissan VersaNissan RogueKia RondoMazda 5Nissan CubeKia SoulScion xBScion xDElantra Touring wagonand of course the Toyota MatrixIf not for the $2,000 below invoice, $1,500 rebates plus $3,000 GM Card rebate I probably would not have bought my 2009 Vibe. Don't tell GM but my target was about $1.000 higher than I had to pay. Truly that was Christmas in January.Subaru is doing well with their 4 wheel drive only. I wish they had 2 wheel drive that I presume would offer better mileage,a less complex drive train, and a lower price.I am keeping my GM card active - by the time I need another car the auto industry will probably have recovered and then be in deep dodo again so a points balance in the $1,500-2,000 range might get upgraded to $3,000 again.

northvibe · Post by **northvibe** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:09 am

^ mazda 5 is more mini vanny, the mazda 3 wagon is mor inline but maybe not as tall so the trunk wouldnt be as big and the 5 would be bigger. suzuki sx4 good awd replacement slightly smaller though. HHR would be a okay one or the new suv thing posted here earlier, based off the cruze platform. Looks like a mini arcadia.

BlueCrush · Post by **BlueCrush** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:11 am

Quote, originally posted by northvibe Â»^ mazda 5 is more mini vanny, the mazda 3 wagon is mor inline but maybe not as tall so the trunk wouldnt be as big and the 5 would be bigger. suzuki sx4 good awd replacement slightly smaller though. HHR would be a okay one or the new suv thing posted here earlier, based off the cruze platform. Looks like a mini arcadia. I agree on the suzuki SX4. It is a little smaller, 100lbs. less but has a bigger engine and more hp/tq. - MPG is not as good though. A lady has one at my work and I find myself always looking at it when I walk by. It looks really nice even with the oem wheels.

ned23 · Post by **ned23** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:12 am

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic Â»The base 2.4L four cylinder Equinox gets 22 city/32 highway. Toyota manages only 21/28 MPG out of their same size engine in the much smaller (and 700 lbs lighter) Vibe/Matrix.Ah, there's a smaller engine. I found 21 city /30 hwy for the 2.4L. Equinox. It has 182 hp. Comes with 6-spd. automatic - and it weighs 3,770 lbs, for crying out loud. So wonder How they did it? There must be some kind of voodoo, since the big three have maintained for years that kind of mileage wasn't possible. If I had to guess, I'd say they found a lot of efficiency through the transmission. Transmissions have been a notorious efficiency bottleneck.

BahamaTodd · Post by **BahamaTodd** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:44 am

They're getting that good mileage out of the Equinox with the 6 speed trans and direct injection.

Old Tele man · Post by **Old Tele man** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:26 am

...I'm wondering how much size/weight difference the new 2010-2011 Korean-built CRUZE with 1.4L turbo engine (projected 40+ mpg!) will have over our Vibes?...granted it's only a 4-door now, but who knows what the market will demand from the automakers?!?

BahamaTodd · Post by **BahamaTodd** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:47 am

FYI, the North American Cruze will be built here in Ohio. Vibe: Length/Width/Weight171.1in / 69.5in / 2800-3300lbsCruze: Length/Width/Weight181in / 70.4in / 2900lbs (estimated)

Old Tele man · Post by **Old Tele man** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:04 am

...it was designed and is presently built (for world sales) in Korea....it's supposed to take-over the plant that's currently making the Cobalt, I understand.

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:09 am

Quote, originally posted by Old Tele man Â»......granted it's only a 4-door now, but who knows what the market will demand from the automakers?!?Historically the market demand for 4 dr hatchbacks and wagons has not been very strong. Ford discontinued the Focus Wagon a couple years ago. They were rarely found on dealer lots. Camry discontinued the Corolla and Camry Wagons many years ago.

L5K · Post by **L5K** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:56 am

I love almost all hatchbacks and wagons. What I don't like is the half-hearted attempts to make a successful car into a wagon. Anyone seen the new Cadillac wagon thing? That beast is hideous. Of course, Chevy also came out with that new Malibu hatchback thing and it, surprisingly, looks great to me.

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:34 am

Quote, originally posted by L5K Â»I love almost all hatchbacks and wagons. I have always preferred the versatility of a wagon or hatchback. My son bought a TV - no way to get that home in the trunk of his full size sedan. Not going to fit in the back seat either. He had to call me - it fit in the Vibe with the rear seats down.

Mr Magoo · Post by **Mr Magoo** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:10 am

Quote, originally posted by MarkM04 Â»HHR is more in line with a Vibe. I've driven HHR's on several occasions and even test drove them before buying my current Vibe. I decided I really don't like them. I dont' think that the build quality is near as good as the Vibe, poor visibility out of the short windshield and blind spots from the thick door pillars really did it for me. The only other car I really considered was the Dodge Caliber, but the reliability and great mileage of the Vibe won me over. I owned a 2006 Ford Focus wagon before the Vibe and loved it until some knucklehead kid wrecked me and totalled it. I had no problems with it in 3 years of ownership and it got very good gas mileage. I was fortunate to have a good friend loan me her 2004 Vibe for about 3 weeks while I was car shopping and I fell in love with the model. Once again the build quality far exceeded that of the Focus, the dead-flat fold down rear seat, and overall styling won me over. My wife and I do animal rescue, so station wagons are all we've ever owned. The Vibe's have had everything from Iguana's to a 245lb St. Bernard in them. Going to look at another Vibe today!My 2Ã‚Â¢.

ned23 · Post by **ned23** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:12 pm

Quote, originally posted by ColonelPanic Â»I understand the upcoming "Orlando" is the replacement for the HHR. So that would be a more ideal candidate for Vibe replacement.Well, GM has a couple of problems, first Chevrolet has lost a lot of brand cache with white collar, suburban buyers. I think maybe they should make it a GMC instead of Chevy. I say this because I'm seeing more GMC pickups when I go out to the 'burbs, lately. Second, "Orlando" has to be one of the silliest names since the Honda "Ridgeline," which has been called the "Honda Edsel" in the press.

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:47 am

Maybe "Orlando" is an appropriate name - after all, GM management has been in la la land (aka Disneyland) for a long time.

Old Tele man · Post by **Old Tele man** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:55 am

...maybe GM's going after the "youth market" by naming it after ORLANDO BLOOM from Dizzy Lands' "Pirates of the Caribbean"?

L5K · Post by **L5K** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:00 am

I still say they need to just call it the Lando and have the high end version be the Calrissian.

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:37 am

Quote, originally posted by BlueCrush Â»I agree on the suzuki SX4. It is a little smaller, 100lbs. less but has a bigger engine and more hp/tq. - MPG is not as good though. A lady has one at my work and I find myself always looking at it when I walk by. It looks really nice even with the oem wheels.i also agree on the sx4. i've always liked the look... a bit smaller but nice looking. especially in this concept modelturbo'd to 221HPi'd be happy with that!!!!!

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:45 am

Isn't that the Chevy Aveo?

ramenboy... · Post by **ramenboy...** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:00 pm

hey jake, its the suzuki sx4-t concept.http://www.modified.com/news/m....html

ned23 · Post by **ned23** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:29 pm

Quote, originally posted by BahamaTodd Â»They're getting that good mileage out of the Equinox with the 6 speed trans and direct injection.Well, I have to admit, it's impressive. I wonder when we'll see that technology in a car platform? Imagine the performance if you put that 182 hp, 2.4L package into a car that weighs 1000--1500 lbs less? Picture a 40 mpg Vibe GT...Specs:http://www.trucktrend.com/feat....html

jake75 · Post by **jake75** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:59 pm

I look forward to seeing what kind of mpg car reviews such as Consumer Reports finds.

ned23 · Post by **ned23** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:57 am

Quote, originally posted by jake75 Â»I look forward to seeing what kind of mpg car reviews such as Consumer Reports finds. Indeed. I've noticed both 31 mpg and 32 mpg being reported.

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