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New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:21 pm

New Member 2004 Vibe base
I recently became the second owner of a 2004 Vibe with 5 speed Moon/tunes in Sunburst orange. I am not crazy about the color, would have preferred white or dark blue, but I am adjusting. Otherwise I am really happy with the car. :D
I am really happy to have found this forum. I have already found many answers here. Perhaps I will be able to provide some answers too.
Thing I have done:
Changed the gear oil, spark plugs, chain tensioner, valve cover gasket (#3 hole was filled with oil), power steering fluid. The stock radio was already gone and I did not like the 1 DIN that replaced it, so I installed a 2 DIN LCD radio with Bluetooth, GPS, rearview cam and SD card and USB access. I added a switch to allow viewing the rear view camera any time. With 170 degree field of view, it helps cover the blind spots. The Recalls were taken care of and I felt lucky, the dealer I took it to, did an excellent job and I got the car back in fine shape. It has a noise that goes away when the clutch is depressed so a new throw out bearing (along with a new clutch) may be needed at some point. I added a trailer hitch and am currently waiting on the wiring kit. I plan to do most of the maintenance, but the first oil change was done by a fast oil change place and they bent the flange just under the oil filler cap. When the valve cover was removed, the source of the that odd ticking was confirmed. I had read about that very issue here.
Couple of questions:
How can I confirm the VVT is working? The power curve seems to be very flat.
I replaced the old (clear) power steering fluid (150k miles) with the recommended Dex III (red) transmission fluid and now I am getting significant whine from the power steering pump. Is this really the correct fluid? It there a power steering conditioner that will quite it down?
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby tpollauf » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:01 pm

samvibe wrote: I installed a 2 DIN LCD radio with Bluetooth, GPS, rearview cam and SD card and USB access. I added a switch to allow viewing the rear view camera any time. With 170 degree field of view, it helps cover the blind spots.


Welcome to GenVibe Sam :D Nice intro. Hopefully you can eventually follow up on it with pics and location! I personally LOVE the Ignition Orange color (2010's had that color too) but settled for Red. Anyways I'm real interested in the head unit you installed. I purchased an ill 2003 Vibe GT over the winter as a project car and it will need a radio. Don't want to put a stock unit in and want a rear camera. Elaborate on it somewhere in the future as it may motivate others to update their units also. Others here will chime in on your questions but I'm of no help because my two are 2009 models.
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby MacGyver » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:15 pm

samvibe wrote:How can I confirm the VVT is working? The power curve seems to be very flat.
I replaced the old (clear) power steering fluid (150k miles) with the recommended Dex III (red) transmission fluid and now I am getting significant whine from the power steering pump. Is this really the correct fluid? It there a power steering conditioner that will quite it down?


Welcome to Genvibe!

You put transmission fluid in the power steering system? I'm hoping you made a grammatical error, because that would not be good.
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:50 pm

Tpollauf,
Here are some notes on my LCD, touchscreen, GPS, Bluetooth, backup camera, SD card, USB, radio. Hope it helps.
As this is only my second post, I am not sure how to add pictures and if I have permission to add attachments, so here is the text and I will try to add some pictures later. I need to figure out the quote thing also.
The Radio install:
The radio I installed is a BossBVNV9382RC. It came with a backup camera but I used a different one that I already had from the first attempt to add a radio. The first attempt was with a DUAL BT256. It had an unusual characteristic: At night, when adjusting the instrument illumination down it would cause the display to flash brightly. Almost acting like a strobe light. Not really good for driving at night, and that one went back to Amazon. So I expanded my radio budget some and ended up with the BossBVNV9382RC. http://www.bossaudio.com/product/car-vi ... vnv9382rc/. I got mine from Amazon. (its cheaper there). This Boss radio has no input from instrument illumination and has to be manually adjusted to suit the lighting. As it turned out, for driving at night, I have the brightness turned all the way down and it is still brighter than I would prefer. Also, there are other minor “behavior” problems but overall, it works as advertised. The next step up in price might have been a better investment. But the Bluetooth and the backup camera add safety and I like having all the other features to play with. The Boss has a GPS in addition to the Bluetooth and backup cam. The DUAL and the BOSS are 6.2” touch screens. In addition to the radio, I got a wiring adapter plug (SCOSCHE GM035) and a mounting adapter kit (SCOSCHE GMT2049). I used (removed) connectors to make the connections between the adapter kit plug and the connector that came with the radio. The radio plug was clearly labeled and the paper work with the adapter kit made hooking up the right wires easy, with one exception. My car has an audio amp under the passenger seat. Apparently, it came with the Moon and Tunes package and this amp may not be on your car. If you have an amp, you need to connect the amp enable to the power antenna wire which is an output from the radio when it is on. If you have a power antenna (do any Vibes have power antennas?) you would connect both the amp and the antenna to the power antenna output wire. The GPS antenna has a magnet mount and I left all the wire coiled up and stuck the magnet/antenna onto the top of the metal radio case. Reception seems fine. Physical, this radio just barely fit in depth. The mini coax connector for the GPS antenna is only about 1/16” away from the structural pipe that goes side to side under the dash. When choosing a radio, I would make use of any selection aids that make sure it will fit a vibe of your year. I think I just got lucky. The bezel that came with the radio and the one with the mounting kit were not big enough and left ugly gaps all around, so I took the bezel to a local plastic shop and they laser cut the internal opening in a piece of textured ABS plastic that, with a little additional trimming, fit perfectly and finished off the install in a professional manner.
The camera install:
The camera I used had a smaller connector and this was important to pass it thru the license plate light lens and also it did not cover any part of the license plate. A standard yellow composite video connector could be routed this way but would require more cutting on the lens. The plastic cover on the inside of the rear hatch door had to come off to gain access to the back of the license plate lens and to route the wires. I removed the lens and drilled a hole for the wire and also cut a slot in the opening the lamp holder fits in to get the wire past the lamp, and, with the wire pulled thru, reinstalled the lens and lamp holder. With the smaller hole, a bit of silicone sealer closed it up nicely. With the wire now on the inside of the car it split into two wires: +12V (red, to power the camera) and composite video. The composite video also has the +12V to trigger the camera display when the back up lights come on. The +12V (red) goes to the left backup light and the camera video connected to the main video/power cable and this connection was taped up and was secured in the door. The video wire and the camera power wire had to be run from the hatch door wiper/tag area, up the left side of hatch to the rubber grommet/tube that the wiper and license light wires go thru at the top left (from the back looking forward). I used a small diameter coat hanger to pass thru first, then pulled the wire. Something a bit more flexible might do better when going thru the grommet. (.040 safety wire might be a good choice) Getting the two wires thru the grommet was not an easy chore and it took some time, but I managed to get them (+12V, video with yellow connector) thru without poking any holes in the rubber grommet. The head liner had to be lowered (had to remove the dome light to get the headliner down far enough) to pull the wires as they came out of the grommet. The +12V was run down to the left back up light. I hated to, but I used a crimp connector to make the connection to the backup lights. I taped it up really good to hopefully prevent any corrosion. I had to remove some the plastic trim along the way forward and the video cable was run along the edge of the head liner and down the “A” pillar (do I have that terminology, right?) with its plastic trim removed and then into the dash and over to the radio. By far the hardest part was getting the wire routed thru the hatch door area. Going forward at the edge of the headliner was very easy once I realized the door seals pull off and that exposes the edge of the headliner. With the camera connector plugged into the right connector (yes, it must be plugged into the correct connector, I am certain of this!) of the radio with its +12V trigger wire connected to the backup trigger wire, it worked as advertised. Because the trigger for the camera is simply +12V, any +12V will work. I connected an additional wire to the ACC wire at the back of the radio and ran it over to the dash board switch area, below the lighting controls, and to a switch and then back to the +12V trigger so with the ACC circuit on, the switch will provide +12V to the camera and to the trigger. But to prevent this from powering the backup lights, a diode has to be inline between the camera and the backup lights connection. The diode has to be oriented correctly. Best way to tell is, if it works with the backup lights power, it is orientated correctly and will prevent power flowing the other direction. I used a Radio Shack NTE116, but any standard silicone diode with about 200ma or greater will work. I used (removed) connectors to add the diode inline, and folded and taped to make sure the diode did not get pulled apart. Hopefully, pictures to come. Is there a limit on post size? :)
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:07 pm

MacGyver,

Yea I did! Seems to be working ok too, except that it whines some. But in my defense, on page 6-26 of my Vibe manual, it specifies "DEXRON III Auto transmission fluid". That's what I put in. I spoke to several GM dealers about this (one before and one after the fluid change) and they tell me that if I brought my car to them for a power steering flush, DEXRON III is what I would be leaving with. Not sure what to do at this point. One old mechanic said I had air in the lines, but it has been four weeks. Any air in the system should have worked it's way out by now, and yet it still whines. Sounds like it needs some additional lubrication, but I am not sure what to use for that. It would be nice to identify what the original fluid was. I have read here that vibes come with clear fluid. Anybody know what that fluid is?
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Postby vibrologist » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:22 pm

Sam, I have used Lucas Oil Power Steering Fix in a Ford Windstar to quiet the whine.
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby vibrologist » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 pm

The 5 speed manual transaxle is known to suffer from a bearing failure. If you have to take it out anyway you may consider replacing it with a 6 speed transmission. The 6 speed is not afflicted with the weak bearing.
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:11 pm

I may try the Lucas stuff if there are no other suggestions. When i bought this car I had the mistaken idea that the automatic transmissions had the bearing issue and several automatic Vibe's I test drove had clear signs of bearing failure. But I like this car a lot so I may have got it anyway had I known and for now, this manual transmission seems to be very quite. I have put a trailer hitch on and have just purchased a small trailer (40" X 48" 870lbs max). I am hoping this small trailer wont over stress the transmission output bearing. I have read here about subing the 6speed and I may consider it. I wonder, if after going to the larger tires to offset the higher RPM, is the speedometer still correct?
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby vibrologist » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:51 am

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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:01 pm

Tpollauf,
I seem to be limited to two pictures per post. I hope I got this figured out correctly.
I did not take pictures as I was doing it so the only pictures I have are taken after it was complete, but perhaps they will help.
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Here is the finished radio install showing the laser cut ABS bezel.
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The finished camera install showing the cable entry thru the light lens.
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

Postby samvibe » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:03 pm

Here are two more pictures:
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The wire running along the edge of the headliner.
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the backup view.gif
With the camera activated.
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Postby tpollauf » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:25 am

Nice work Sam. I'll keep all this in mind when I get to that part of the project. thanks ;)
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Re: New Member 2004 Vibe base

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