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by kostby
Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:17 am
Forum: Latest News
Topic: Vibes in the news
Replies: 72
Views: 37000

Re: Vibes in the news

Looks like a Matrix to me, from this screen grab, lightened by me. At 11:14 in the clip, I believe that's the Toyota logo in the center of the steering wheel (rotated about 90-degrees clockwise, with a reflection obscuring the top of stylized T. Vibe steering wheels display the Pontiac arrowhead log...
by kostby
Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: C'mon GenVibe! Let's help the world!
Replies: 69
Views: 21445

Re: C'mon GenVibe! Let's help the world!

Hey Colonel Panic! Great that you were able to give yourself a battlefield commission and now our WCG command is once again in capable hands! I have two Macs running World Community Grid most of the time now, 2 cores on a 2011 iMac quad-core i5, and 2 cores on a 2012 Mac mini quad-core i7. The i5 is...
by kostby
Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Problems & Warranty Issues
Topic: Shaking that has me stumped
Replies: 13
Views: 3705

Re: Shaking that has me stumped

Sounds like a weight used to balance a wheel/tire came loose and fell off. Swapping one out-of-balance wheel to another position on the car would still cause the same out-of-balance condition at speed. When you have time, try replacing one wheel at a time with the (hopefully in-balance) spare, and s...
by kostby
Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:50 pm
Forum: Exterior
Topic: leak at driver A post (front of door) - sunroof? door? windshield?
Replies: 6
Views: 2688

Re: leak at driver A post (front of door) - sunroof? door? windshield?

I had the situation you describe when the pointy end of a maple-tree 'propeller' seed fit perfectly into the front driver-side sunroof drain, clogging it completely. I discovered the clog while driving during an intense inches-per-hour deluge when water started dripping down the A-pillar. Drove into...
by kostby
Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: Audio, Electronics, Electrical
Topic: Replace 2003 Moon and Tunes Stereo
Replies: 6
Views: 2074

Re: Replace 2003 Moon and Tunes Stereo

In a 2003 Vibe with factory Moon & Tunes, factory speakers, and factory aux amp, the white-noise hiss is ALWAYS present when the head unit is on. It's less noticeable with the engine running, and when the system is playing radio, CD, or music, but it is always there. Turn off the factory head un...
by kostby
Mon May 28, 2018 9:56 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe
Replies: 9
Views: 5446

Re: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe

30,000 mile update. Just turned over 30,000 miles on the odometer last week, so I've owned the HR-V for about 1800 miles and coming up on 4 months. Comments: The Sloshing tail light . The driver side hatch taillight was poorly sealed and collected about a cup of rainwater that never drained out. Eve...
by kostby
Mon May 28, 2018 6:38 pm
Forum: Problems & Warranty Issues
Topic: P0171 turning into a witch hunt 07Vibe
Replies: 32
Views: 5821

Re: P0171 turning into a witch hunt 07Vibe

OK. GenVibe somehow swallowed my original, much wordier post. So here's the condensed version of what sounds like a similar problem from decades ago: 1988 1/2 Ford Escort GT, manual trans. One winter it began driving very erratically. Started and ran fine at idle, but press the accelerator and it wa...
by kostby
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:38 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: GenVibe's 16th birthday April 1, 2018
Replies: 8
Views: 2430

Re: GenVibe's 16th birthday April 1, 2018

It is a great tribute to the Audi online enthusiast community who provided (still provides?) hosting for the much smaller GenVibe community initially. The fact that the GenVibe community survives even though the namesake vehicle has been out of production for 8 years speaks volumes about the great G...
by kostby
Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe
Replies: 9
Views: 5446

Re: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe

I honestly don't know how long this CVT will last. I'm retired, and I'll drive this car about 5,000 miles per year, so for me, the prospect of a new transmission at 80,000 miles is at least 10 years away. Not a cop-out, just the reality. The Front Wheel Drive models of the HR-V in the LX and EX trim...
by kostby
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe
Replies: 9
Views: 5446

Re: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe

Pretty random, barely organized thoughts after a month with a 2016 Honda HR-V EX AWD and without a 2003 Pontiac Vibe Base Moon & Tunes. TL;DR I LIKE the HR-V a lot. It's not a Vibe, but as I said a month ago, it's a worthy successor for my needs. --- The long version: Yes, it's an HR-V, not a C...
by kostby
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:57 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe
Replies: 9
Views: 5446

Bye 2003 SalsaWagon - Hello 2016 HR-V - Honda builds a worthy successor to my original Vibe

Well, yesterday I did it. I traded SalsaWagon, our well-used 2003 Pontiac Vibe in on a Certified Used 2016 Honda HR-V EX AWD from a Honda dealer in Marion Illinois. IMG_0709.jpg 2016_honda_hr-v-pic-3507604481073160303-1024x768.jpeg SalsaWagon was built in May 2002, and had accumulated about 128,000 ...
by kostby
Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:30 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: C'mon GenVibe! Let's help the world!
Replies: 69
Views: 21445

Re: C'mon GenVibe! Let's help the world! Reviving an ancient thread!

13 years later, World Community Grid is still around, and you can STILL help the world. Jahntassa Vidren began Team GenVibe at World Community Grid about 13 years ago. Since then, members of GenVibe have contributed over 40 YEARS of processing power to the effort. GenVibe is still listed among the t...
by kostby
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:29 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: Pre Vibe were you a Toyota or GM person? (Or neither?)
Replies: 40
Views: 13036

Re: Pre Vibe were you a Toyota or GM person? (Or neither?)

Neither. Listed by model year, not purchase date nor length of ownership: '74 Audi Fox '75 Chevy Nova (X-body, 262 V8) '80 VW Rabbit *'84 VW Rabbit Convertible *'86 Olds Cutlass Ciera '88.5 Ford Escort GT *'88 Saab 900 Turbo SPG *'91 Pontiac 6000 current "Fleet" '96 Ford Taurus *'03 Pontia...
by kostby
Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:03 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: Vibe Replacements / Successors
Replies: 18
Views: 5064

Re: Vibe Replacements / Successors

I've found the following C-MAX forum user-friendly and very helpful: fordcmaxhybridforum.com And this Honda Fit forum is user-friendly, has an international audience, and covers all 3 generations of Fit/Jazz GD(2001-2008), GE(2009-2013), and GK (2015-current): fitfreak.net I rarely post, but I'm kos...
by kostby
Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:09 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: Vibe Replacements / Successors
Replies: 18
Views: 5064

Re: Vibe Replacements / Successors

Our family owns one of each: 2003 Pontiac Vibe base, 2013 Ford C-MAX SE, and a 2013 Honda Fit Sport, purchased in that order. So you already know all about the Vibe. I can ramble on for hours about any of the 3 cars. I'll make a few general comparisons, then feel free to ask me any questions. We pur...
by kostby
Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:52 pm
Forum: Audio, Electronics, Electrical
Topic: bluetooth ODBII
Replies: 7
Views: 2413

Re: bluetooth ODBII

I have an ELM327 BT OBDII scanner that LOOKS like this one, except mine is Bluetooth only. https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Diagnostic-ELM327-Bluetooth-Interface/dp/B00EQ57BE8/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8 Beware, there are cheap knockoffs. In fact, I probably own the cheap knockoff, becaus...
by kostby
Thu May 18, 2017 9:11 am
Forum: Exterior
Topic: hatch is locked and won't open with key - 07 Vibe base
Replies: 3
Views: 1918

Re: hatch is locked and won't open with key - 07 Vibe base

Do you have a second/duplicate key?
One of the two original keys for my '03 is worn to the point that it only works in the ignition now.
by kostby
Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:21 pm
Forum: Exterior
Topic: windshield wipers missing spots?
Replies: 3
Views: 3677

Re: windshield wipers missing spots?

1. Check the wiper arms themselves for proper curvature and tension against the glass. My son recently purchased a 2013 Honda Fit. He noticed that the passenger-side wiper arm and blade kept vibrating when sitting at idle. Air pressure kept it on the glass when using wipers at highway speeds. Checki...
by kostby
Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:46 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

3 years of ownership update: TL;DR: Yes, we still love it. Yes, we would(probably will) buy another Ford hybrid, but at this point, probably a used CPO '17 C-MAX Energi SE as a second car, in a year or two. So get a cup of coffee first. This will take a while... Today I took our 2013 C-MAX Hybrid i...
by kostby
Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:51 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Ford IS still building new 2017 C-MAX at the Michigan Assembly Plant, so there are new 2017's around, and some 2016's. Yes, very Vibe-like of Ford to spend $0 on C-MAX TV advertising! Surprising, but C-MAX actually DID get some updates for 2017: SYNC 3 is no longer Microsoft-branded and CarPlay is s...
by kostby
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:16 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: 2018 Toyota C-HR (exceeds the non-traditional styling of Nissan Juke?)
Replies: 4
Views: 2818

2018 Toyota C-HR (exceeds the non-traditional styling of Nissan Juke?)

http://www.toyota.com/content/vehicle-landing/upcoming-vehicles/c-hr/desktop/CHR_MY18_0004_V001.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-quality=90&downsize=1228px: Honestly, this may be it's BEST view. Few specs are listed, mostly just bright Kandy Kolor (obligatory nod to George Barris) pics...
by kostby
Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:23 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's 2013 Honda Fit Sport thread
Replies: 2
Views: 2416

Re: kostby's 2013 Honda Fit Sport thread

Actually, both sites also list new cars, and how long they've been listed online, although most new car dealers display 'contact us for price' instead of showing a discounted price on brand new cars.
by kostby
Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:03 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's 2013 Honda Fit Sport thread
Replies: 2
Views: 2416

kostby's 2013 Honda Fit Sport thread

My 26-year-old son found full-time employment and now commutes about 30-miles round trip every day, so he recently purchased his first car, a Milano Red 2013 Honda Fit Sport automatic. (This isn't his car, but his looks just like this one-> http://images.gtcarlot.com/gtgallery/85852515-640.jpg) He s...
by kostby
Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:18 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Time for an update as it's been over a year. We still own the Vibe, and it's going strong at 125,000 miles. Our C-MAX has been 100% reliable since software and corrective/preventive service advisory updates performed in 2015 to address 12-volt battery discharge issues that occurred in a few of the e...
by kostby
Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:19 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: Fastest you've gone?
Replies: 20
Views: 4778

Re: Fastest you've gone?

A. ~550mph in a 747 at 38000 ft. :lol: B. About 100mph in the our '03 Vibe base. Car probably had/still has more speed, but I'm old now and there was just too much traffic. C. 125mph as a passenger in a brand new 66 Olds Toronado that my dad was driving. In 1966. D. OTOH, my most thrilling ride was ...
by kostby
Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:01 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: Fiat 500L: Glad I'm not the Guy...
Replies: 26
Views: 8558

Re: Fiat 500L: Glad I'm not the Guy...

L=Lounge, almost 24 inches longer than the base 500, but that's still pretty small, 163 inches total length, vs. almost 172 inches for my 2003 Vibe Base. Also about 6 inches narrower outside. Friend of mine has a bright red 500 Sport Turbo 1.4L 2-door. At 140 inches length, that's about 80% the leng...
by kostby
Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:46 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: 2017 Chevy Cruze Hatch
Replies: 6
Views: 3534

Re: 2017 Chevy Cruze Hatch

It's simply astounding to me that after almost 40 years of excuses from the Big 3 (Ford, GM, Chrysler) about why few "Americans" wanted or would buy hatchbacks, every manufacturer has "rediscovered" 5-door hatchbacks and added models to their US lineups. Post-modern passenger car...
by kostby
Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:41 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Last updated in April? I've been busy with theatre... I had a really long post prepared here, but apparently my login timed out. Here's the TL;DR Executive Summary: 21 month, 8740 mile SUMMARY as of December 2015: 8740 cumulative miles traveled 5032 Internal Combustion Engine powered miles 3533 EV (...
by kostby
Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:20 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: VW TDi emissions cheat
Replies: 3
Views: 2742

Re: VW TDi emissions cheat

Link to the full hundred page WVU study: http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf Link to The Guardian (UK) coverage of the issue: http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/sep/24/volkswagen-scandal-vw-germany-counts-cost-of-crisis-aft...
by kostby
Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:36 am
Forum: Engine & Transmission
Topic: Transmission Dead??
Replies: 5
Views: 2206

Re: Transmission Dead??

Check the ignition key. If you have a good second or duplicate key, try that. One time a few months ago, the transmission on our 2003 Base seemed 'locked', but it was because I did not have the key fully inserted and turned enough to unlock the steering wheel and transmission interlock. After 12 yea...
by kostby
Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:59 pm
Forum: Problems & Warranty Issues
Topic: 2010 Cruise Control problem
Replies: 5
Views: 5064

Re: 2010 Cruise Control problem

Be sure to check the rear brake lights including the CHMSL (Center High-Mounted Stop Light) in the hatch for a burned-out bulb. I don't know about current vehicles with so much more computer technology, but going back a few years, a burned-out brake light would absolutely prevent the cruise control ...
by kostby
Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:24 am
Forum: Exterior
Topic: slammed/bagged vibe pics?
Replies: 3
Views: 2155

Re: slammed/bagged vibe pics?

Check this similar thread: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=43832&p=500692&hil ... jr#p500692
Jason Damron (damronjr) had over 5,000 posts about his Vibe.
by kostby
Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:54 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

The Ford Escape absolutely offers a lot for the money. The base model S cost is about the same as a base C-MAX SE, in the low 20's, before incentives. A loaded 'Platinum' Escape 2.0 Ecoboost 4WD can easily top $35,000 sticker price and is rated at 25mpg combined, but the base S model with FWD and a ...
by kostby
Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:55 am
Forum: Latest News
Topic: Scion to possibly get Toyota Auris Wagon?
Replies: 13
Views: 6320

Re: Scion to possibly get Toyota Auris Wagon?

Agreed! Toyota may have seen the 'light' finally. Very 1st gen Vibe-like styling cues (plus some cool boy-racer body kit stuff) with updated electronics and transmissions. Available with a 1.8l 138 hp 4 and either a 6-speed manual, rated at 27/36 manual, or a pseudo 7-speed CVT rated 30/37 CVT. Unfo...
by kostby
Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:07 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Our C-MAX One Year Ownership Update March 30, 2015 1) Yesterday, I finally took the C-MAX in to the dealer for the first return trip. It was for the first oil change (at just under 5,000 miles) from the factory-supplied 5W20 synthetic blend to 0W20 Mobil1 full synthetic that I supplied, and to appl...
by kostby
Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:34 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: please help...
Replies: 3
Views: 1040

Re: please help...

You haven't looked in the right place on GenVibe: http://forums.genvibe.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=31" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The image you included illustrates the factory-option 17" wheels for 2003-2008 models, not 18" There were no factory 18" wheel...
by kostby
Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:00 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: GenVibe Meet 2015
Replies: 86
Views: 37335

Re: GenVibe Meet 2015

June 22nd 2015 appears to be a Monday. Is that correct?
Father's Day is Sunday, June 21st 2015.
by kostby
Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:53 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: If this car is actually produced in the old Vibe factory
Replies: 7
Views: 1980

Re: If this car is actually produced in the old Vibe factory

Tesla Model X, dual-motor AWD, 'Falcon Wing' rear doors, estimated availability early 2016. http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Tesla website video of the Model X prototype reveals in the spring of 2012 February 9, 2012 27 minute video reveal ht...
by kostby
Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:51 am
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: XM Discount
Replies: 9
Views: 1947

Re: XM Discount

SiriusXM is offering a free 2-month subscription to people who purchased "pre-owned" vehicles without activating a subscription. Of course terms and conditions apply, and if you don't cancel service before the trial is over, they'll bill you unto eternity. Maybe longer. https://care.sirius...
by kostby
Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:03 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Just realized I totally missed a mid-December 2014 update, so here's a mid-January 2015 update: We've got about 4100 miles on the car now, and it is still performing well and still exceeding our expectations. Still have not visited the dealership to deal with several pending recalls and one occasion...
by kostby
Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:08 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: The Official "Price You Paid For Gas" Thread
Replies: 1661
Views: 1528939

Re: The Official "Price You Paid For Gas" Thread

Local price in central Indiana is back to about $1.959 per gallon again this week.
A week ago, on January 4th, 2015, it was $1.659 per gallon in my city, and reported on TV as low as $1.499 in Indianapolis.
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I filled up all 3 vehicles at $1.659
by kostby
Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:03 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: Air Ride
Replies: 1
Views: 1139

Re: Air Ride

User damronjr (Jason Damron) bagged his '04, along with many other mods including an awesome body kit, over a period of several years. He had over 5,000 posts, so there are certain to be some pics and lots of discussion. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/damronjr/vibe/11-22-07_1144.jpg He sold ...
by kostby
Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:24 am
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Ford Incentives have actually decreased on 2015's: $500 cash-back, or 0% for 36 months, to me an indication that they're selling at about the expected rate now. On 2014's Ford offers 0% for 72 month -OR- up to $2500 cash-back with Ford Credit financing, -OR- a combination of 0% for shorter terms and...
by kostby
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:43 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Early November update after 7 months and 3800 miles of ownership We've started driving the car in the rain, and taking it to the car wash more often. We've had one more dead battery experience, for a total of three, two of them absolutely moisture-related, and the last one potentially because of a b...
by kostby
Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:06 am
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: The newbie found a car!
Replies: 12
Views: 2294

Re: The newbie found a car!

Welcome! Nice find. The mileage notation on title might be due to title and registration recordkeeping procedures formalized years ago when most cars had odometers that did not record beyond 99,999.9 miles. The odometer simply rolled over, and began at 00,000.0 again. Apparently, many states still a...
by kostby
Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:23 pm
Forum: Photography and Photoshop
Topic: Photoshop help and ideas?
Replies: 4
Views: 3698

Re: Photoshop help and ideas?

Black rims (probably closer to "gunmetal" than pure black)
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Other suggestions:
If you're going to Plastidip the rims, do the roof rack too.
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by kostby
Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:37 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: newb from indiana
Replies: 52
Views: 14149

Re: newb from indiana

"If the deal seems too good to be true, it probably is." http://www.andymohr.com/inventory/2009-pontiac-vibe-w1sb-fwd-4d-hatchback-5y2sp67079z415869" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Per CarFax, that car was apparently involved in three separate accidents, reported o...
by kostby
Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:42 am
Forum: For Sale/Wanted
Topic: Wanted: Magnaflow Catback for 03-08 base
Replies: 2
Views: 681

Re: Wanted: Magnaflow Catback for 03-08 base

In-stock and available direct from the source:
http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shop ... &year=2003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by kostby
Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:53 pm
Forum: The Others
Topic: kostby's Ford C-Max thread
Replies: 45
Views: 21148

Re: kostby's Ford C-Max thread

Late September (6 months of ownership) update: The car continues to be trouble-free, and we're getting great gas mileage. Overall, C-MAX remains a great match for our needs with all the local short-distance driving we do. I've managed to go up to 2.4 miles in town in EV mode with a full charge in th...
by kostby
Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:49 pm
Forum: The Vibe Lounge
Topic: newb from indiana
Replies: 52
Views: 14149

Re: newb from indiana

Welcome! I live northwest of Indianapolis in Lebanon, and I've owned my 2003 Vibe, purchased used, since 2004. Try extending your search to 100 miles (~2 hours away). There were more than 80 Vibes within 100 miles of 46204 (center of Indianapolis) as the zip code on Autotrader.com, but fewer than 30...